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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Gamers Nexus has done a teardown of both the 2060 and 2070 super. The 2070 super has a covert NVLink (being a cut down 2080/same TU104 die etc):


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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    4K means nothing and is used by less than 2% of the buying public. Now I'd like to see RTX stuff benched to death as that is the future. Acting as it doesn't exist when AMD is vocally saying it's coming to consoles/windows for them shortly (and every dev says the same), is just stupid for any hardware site. You'd rather bench 4k than RTX? There are probably more people playing BF5 with RTX crap on than there are TOTAL 4k users in the world...ROFL. But hey, keep pushing 4K to death while NOBODY uses it. Nobody to me here=less than 5%. Until then, whatever. Almost 1/2 way to still being a complete waste of time benchmarking 4k...ROFLMAO. 4K is a gen away because NOBODY is using it. Why work hard for something 98% of users DO NOT have? It's like AMD stupidly chasing compute crap for home users...Nobody I know does folding@home and that crap on your chip only raises costs and lowers GAME perf (since that part of the die is useless to most, should be aimed at gaming perf instead on NON-pro stuff)...ROFL.

    Heck, I would probably argue against testing anything under 5% period (oops, that hit 1440p too? LOL). It would be more fruitful for your readers to bench the CRAP out of 1080P games (dozens?) as that is the most used res (by FAR).

    How can you right a review of NV hardware without making a major deal of RTX stuff that you DO NOT GET when buying AMD today? WTF? Isn't that why many buy NV? Cuda, RTX, heat, watts, noise (duh, perf too, but NV always good there).

    My takeaway here: Hard to sell Radeon VII at 49db vs any NV card now. 3rd party cards will make things worse here no doubt too.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    https://wccftech.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super-and-geforce-rtx-2060-super-review/
    "RAYTRACING IS HERE"...LOL

    Whatever hexus. 13 games coming, and everyone adopting it engine wise (and consoles as they mentioned too). They still ignored bench-marking, but at least they don't IGNORE that it exists. They clearly tell you it's coming.
    "These titles include the hugely anticipated Cyberpunk 2077, DOOM Eternal, Call of Duty Modern Warfare, Watch Dogs Legion, Wolfenstein Youngblood, and Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2."

    "What happens to the existing cards? The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 and GeForce RTX 2070 are entirely replaced by their SUPER equivalents so NVIDIA and their AIBs would no longer be making more of those."
    For anyone guessing what happens to pricing etc. All older versions are going away. These are direct replacements now.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post
    Heck, I would probably argue against testing anything under 5% period (oops, that hit 1440p too? LOL).
    Does that also apply to anything that isn't using a GTX 1060 / 1050Ti / 1050 then? According to the June 2019 Steam hardware survey they're the 3 most popular cards in use right now. Does that automatically make everything else irrelevant for reviews? Or do the reviews also include a hint at potential future performance due to other system upgrades...?

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post
    Heck, I would probably argue against testing anything under 5% period (oops, that hit 1440p too? LOL).
    Recently there was a hexus QOTW on screen res and I did a tally of the answers. There were some responses after I did the tally but I don't think they would change the outcome much: 1440p is the most popular gaming resolution on Hexus by far.

    https://forums.hexus.net/hexus-news/...ml#post4065536

    You clearly still adore your 1080p monitor, but I'm afraid it is the new 1024x768 and fading fast.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    What's up with your Forza Horizon 4 benches, Hexus?
    I'm not trying to suggest anything dodgy is going on, but that's a strong AMD title and the Vega64 numbers don't seem right.. Vega should at least be faster than a vanilla 2070, and 63fps average at 1440p is terrible. Something's going on there.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by Stukes View Post
    What's up with your Forza Horizon 4 benches, Hexus?
    I'm not trying to suggest anything dodgy is going on, but that's a strong AMD title and the Vega64 numbers don't seem right.. Vega should at least be faster than a vanilla 2070, and 63fps average at 1440p is terrible. Something's going on there.
    We've double-checked those and they are right - ran them again. Let's just say Navi does much, much better.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post
    But hey, keep pushing 4K to death while NOBODY uses it.
    Well, I do.

    And likely anybody who uses their gaming PC in "big picture" mode or similar for sofa gaming.

    Steam hardware survey:

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 1.06%
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 0.82%
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 0.73%
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 0.41%

    So, 3.02% of participating users have RTX available to them.

    4K? Harder to say, as the survey only reports primary and multi-monitor resolution, my 4K display is my secondary display (because most games can't select the output and you know, we still can't drive 4K games reliably).

    But, inferring these people have a 4K display available:
    3840 x 2160 1.61%
    5120 x 2880 0.44%
    5760 x 2160 4.44% <-- I'm in here
    6400 x 2160 0.92%
    7680 x 2160 1.36%

    So, 8.77%. Significantly more relevant than RTX currently.

    Freesync isn't the answer, it handles tearing, but doesn't give you any boost to framerates. We all know that anything below 72Hz is a sub-par experience.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by Dashers View Post
    Freesync isn't the answer, it handles tearing, but doesn't give you any boost to framerates. We all know that anything below 72Hz is a sub-par experience.
    It isn't about boosting frame rates, it is about removing the drop-off-a-cliff penalty for lowered frame rates. I bought a VRR monitor for work use before I had a card that should be able to drive it for gaming, and was stunned at how usable it was, and an R9 285 2GB driving a 1440p monitor regularly dips to 50fps but you don't have to choose to wait for the next frame with vsync on effectively dropping you to a stuttery 30fps (36fps in your case, I assume from your comment you have a 72Hz monitor) or turn vsync off for a screen tearing filled mess.

    I don't think I would ever buy another fixed sync monitor.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Freesync is typically rated to a pretty low Hz; with these cards showing good "1% FPS" values it feels like Freesync is a solid option. I haven't owned one myself but I've seen a variety of demos of it in action.

    I'll be looking to grab a 1440p Freesync/GSync on my next upgrade.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by nobodyspecial View Post
    4K means nothing and is used by less than 2% of the buying public.
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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Did i miss it or are there no RTX benchmarks?
    I moaned a lot about this a while back and Hexus responded with "too much effort and no one is using it, why should we expend the effort when they all work the same anyway".

    Frankly, it feels like Nvidia don't want them reviewed with RTX enabled because it's bad press.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    So basically the 2xxx series comes out and in short is a complete rip off, they then release what the cards should have been which does make them massively better value but still way to expensive but people don't see that is its now cheaper for more performance compared tot he last rip off.

    I do hope AMD lower the navi pricing rather than keep following the nvidia premium tax model.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I do hope AMD lower the navi pricing rather than keep following the nvidia premium tax model.
    There's a rumor on videocardz (can't link due to new member restrictions) that AMD are looking to reduce the pricing in-lieu of the super cards.

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