AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT and RX 5700

[scaryjim]

... Disappointing they haven't fixed the reference one that's been lackluster for years ...

Are you looking at a different temperature/noise chart to me? Because I'm seeing the 5700 @ only 4 degrees higher than the 2060 Super at the same power draw and sound level, and giving similar overall performance (i.e. no obvious signs of performance being compromised by throttling).

Reference coolers should lean more towards adequate than remarkable, because it gives partner cards room to breathe. NVidia aren't exactly streaming ahead here. Plus it's nice to know there's at least one blower-style cooler out there - they're better for cases with restricted internal airflow as they dump all the GPU heat out of the case instead of recirculating it...

[The Mole]

Most review sites have very similar results. This shows that AMD took an old GPU Architecture and made it competitive enough to potentially dethrone Nvidia's top. There's absolutely no reason to purchase a RTX 2080 anymore. Thanks the the 5700 XT, the 2080 which we all already knew is Over-Priced. It's about time AMD takes back GPU market share once and for all.
Looking forward to a 5800 (XT) versions.

[Xlucine]

I was thinking near enough the same thing, how close they are to the 60/70 supers makes it a really hard choice if they're priced the same (for some reason retailers don't seem to be listing prices for the supers currently). AMD have the advantage that they're clearly better in Vulkan titles but Nvidia have RTX so they both have added selling points outside of the similar average performance, if prices are the same I'd have go with AMD as Vulkan improves performance whereas RTX have the reverse effect.

It should be really interesting to see what partners can do with these cards as i suspect with the right heatsink and further tuning these could just edge it over the supers, if the price is right.

Better coolers cut both ways, so an aftermarket 5700XT has to compete with aftermarket supers

Honestly can't believe people aren't making more of this everywhere - either I'm reading the results wrong or, at its declared target resolution of 1440p, the 5700 XT beats the 2060 Super - the card it's priced to march - in every game except Total War, and in 3 of the seven games it also beats the 25% more expensive 2070 super.

In fact, the cheaper 5700 beats the 2060 Super in 4 of the 7 games, at near-identical power draw - and it only loses to the price comparable plain 2060 in Total War, and then only by 1fps.

Is it just me? Is there something I'm missing?

The pre-launch presentation where AMD compared the 2060 to the 5700 and the 2070 to the 5700XT has primed us all to continue with those comparisons, and just add "lower price" to the advantages column for the AMD cards

[The Hand]

Honestly can't believe people aren't making more of this everywhere - either I'm reading the results wrong or, at its declared target resolution of 1440p, the 5700 XT beats the 2060 Super - the card it's priced to march - in every game except Total War, and in 3 of the seven games it also beats the 25% more expensive 2070 super.

In fact, the cheaper 5700 beats the 2060 Super in 4 of the 7 games, at near-identical power draw - and it only loses to the price comparable plain 2060 in Total War, and then only by 1fps.

Is it just me? Is there something I'm missing?

For your consideration :

[Corky34]

Better coolers cut both ways, so an aftermarket 5700XT has to compete with aftermarket supers

Maybe but if the VII is anything to go by the AMD stock coolers are pretty pants whereas the Nvidia ones are much better. Obviously we don't know yet how close each already are to their maximum clocks so there's no know yet how much more a better cooler will unleash but i have my suspicion that aftermarket coolers will get more performance out of the 5700's than they will out of the supers.

[scaryjim]

… The pre-launch presentation where AMD compared the 2060 to the 5700 and the 2070 to the 5700XT ...

Ah, I missed that one. Although, was that the originals or the Supers? Because the 2060 Super is a vanilla 2070 in all but name...

… if the VII is anything to go by the AMD stock coolers are pretty pants whereas the Nvidia ones are much better ...

I don't think the VII is anything to go by. I think AMD use the same underlying cooler design on all their stock cards. The Polaris cards were just plain quiet, the 5700s are a lot quieter than Vega/VII - afaict they have a standard design that will cope with TDPs up to around 300W if you max out the fan, and they adjust the fan profile to hit temps between 80 and 85 at target performance. That means a frugal card like the RX 480 can stay pretty quiet, while a power-hogging monster like Vega 64 or VII sounds like it's trying to make LEO.

From AMD's partners' point of view it's ideal, as their custom designs are always going to look great compared to the reference. And as long as the card hits its performance targets in reviews I suspect AMD don't care that much either. The delay with getting partner designs out is a problem (IMNSHO, anyway), and we'll have to see where partner card pricing ends up - if they have to add a $50 premium for a beefier cooler than the value proposition against NVidia vanishes. But perhaps the 6 week delay for partner cards will be enough to let them trim the prices slightly...

[Tabbykatze]

For your consideration :

I'm starting to get really narked off with Steve from Gamers Nexus, he seems to have a really big pine cone up his ass whenever AMD stuff comes across his desk.

[Xlucine]

FYI, arctic have updated the product pages for most of their GPU coolers to include 5700 support:
https://www.arctic.ac/uk_en/products/cooling/vga.html
Including this one, rated for 300 W:
https://www.arctic.ac/uk_en/ax4.html


Making the best cooled 5700 XT ever is kind of tempting - it'll cost 16% more for the best arctic cooler, and it's been reported than over-the-top cooling on the 5700 gives 10-20% more performance... It's not usual to get a linear increase in performance with cost in high end graphics

[DanceswithUnix]

So these latest drivers have dropped performance in older cards. That sucks, AMD are usually very careful not to do that and hopefully it will get fixed in an upcoming release.

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amds-late...in-some-games/

There is an assumption in that article that there is also a drop in the new cards, but it strikes me there is no evidence either way for that conclusion.

[lemonsqueezy]

FYI, arctic have updated the product pages for most of their GPU coolers to include 5700 support:

Making the best cooled 5700 XT ever is kind of tempting - it'll cost 16% more for the best arctic cooler, and it's been reported than over-the-top cooling on the 5700 gives 10-20% more performance... It's not usual to get a linear increase in performance with cost in high end graphics

There are quite a few people modding the 5700 with older AMD GPU coolers as well, with some small modifications. There has also been some investigation into bios tweaks to make the 5700 perform much closer to the XT which suggests that the 5700 has some software lockdown on it. Depending on the silicone lottery and binning process you might be able to push the 5700 with a custom cooler quite hard. Timmy Joe has a YouTube video where he's compiled some of this knowledge into a working device - he's annoying to watch but the theory is sound.