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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    oh I have no sympathy for nvidia as far as I can tell the rrp was naive incompetency at best, wilful incompetency at worst.
    I just don't think it was deliberate falsehood, that is too risky and because I do believe in Heinlein's razor
    You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.
    or Hanlon's razor if you prefer
    never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
    I think someone took the chip price, ran it through the historical formula to generate the rrp, marketing needs a low rrp number to make good pr so they grab on to it and run, no one questions the number because they need it for the pr before the earnings call.
    no one stops to think about past the earnings call or the actual release price because that's later not now.

    And now that we are later not now (if that makes sense) firefight the bad pr, which atm seems to be keep quite, wait for it to go away and bask in your good personal performance review, not your fault the numbers were wrong.

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Looking forward to seeing how this one compares in market saturation compared to the 1060, as per the steam survey it was around ~10% of users had the 1060, which is pretty huge. Early looks into it are looking promising for this card for an average user... If the prices normalise a bit...

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Nvidia is pulling the same trick(like AMD) with its partners. Its quite clear to support their industry leading profit margins,the RRP is too low for AIB partners to survive on. So they set pie in the sky RRPs,then can blame partners,miners,etc for the RRP not being kept to. They did the same with Fermi IIRC(maybe even GT200 if memory serves me correct),when XFX basically flipped to ATI because many partners found it hard to make money on lowish prices and limited GPU allocation.
    Aside from the 3090 FE (and maybe the 3080 FE), all of the RRPs for the 3xxx series seem to be way off the mark, especially so for the AIB card pricing. I do have to wonder how much the chips actually cost, plus the circuit board and various components, plus validation. If you look at the RRP for the 3060, adjusted for inflation it's roughly where it should be priced (everyone seems to exclude inflation when factoring in how much OLD cards cost, me included). Those AIB prices though are simply horrendous for any of the 3xxx series cards, I think about the only one I've seen close to the price is the Asus TUF cards, not that there are any available.

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Aside from the 3090 FE (and maybe the 3080 FE), all of the RRPs for the 3xxx series seem to be way off the mark, especially so for the AIB card pricing. I do have to wonder how much the chips actually cost, plus the circuit board and various components, plus validation. If you look at the RRP for the 3060, adjusted for inflation it's roughly where it should be priced (everyone seems to exclude inflation when factoring in how much OLD cards cost, me included). Those AIB prices though are simply horrendous for any of the 3xxx series cards, I think about the only one I've seen close to the price is the Asus TUF cards, not that there are any available.
    AMD and Nvidia know the costs,and are constantly accessing these things. They are just doing more PR nonsense to look like the good guys here. You might for example argue the RTX3080 was priced when the new mining craze only just started,etc but the RTX3060 was only revealed a few weeks ago in the middle of the mining craze. I find it highly unlikely that in the 24 hours prior to launch the world changed so much,that prices suddenly rose for components,for GPUs made and packaged a few weeks ago.

    So Nvidia announced RRP right after many of the cards were in the process of being made,or had been made in my estimation. Remember all the crap AMD got with Vega and its fixed limited time launch pricing?? Now you know why they are playing this game now,so AIB partners get the blame. If they didn't people would see the fact its another Turing level price increase.
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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    They are just doing more PR nonsense to look like the good guys here.
    Pretty much exactly that, making as much money as they can from this is understandable, that's capitalism. What sucks is that their pretending to care for no other reason than they know admitting wanting to make as much money as they can would be bad for public relations.

    It's why they released their CMGPU's, without much fanfare last time but more-so this time around, their not trying to help gamers get their hands of their cards their trying to kill the second-hand market where gamers would buy last gen cards used for mining when the miners moved onto their new cards.

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Quote Originally Posted by QuorTek View Post
    GPGPU Mining will keep most of Nvidias cards super expensive though, in that field I see a gain in advance for better availability for consumers on AMD though or something down those lines.
    AMDs cards are good miners too. May be that the preference is for Nvidia, but all the time they're not available, anyone can still look to 5700s and up for mining and expect a return.

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    Ultimately this will be about raw numbers. if the cost to income ratio adds up using the last 3 month trend in mining rewards and crypt prices, miners will pile in, if not they will stay out. We are yet to see what efficiencies can be eeked out of the 3060 12gb series but expect miners will find a way to boost the hashrates or lower power consumption somewhat to make them viable.

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    Re: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC 12GB

    I'm still on a GTX980, developing a game which is very heavily GPU-limited (the graphics are produced by raymarching), and while I'd love to upgrade, this doesn't at all get my juices flowing. I've got a small amount of savings which I planned to use to finally upgrade my machine after about 6 years once I've published the game later this year.
    The massive price hike that came in with the 20XX series and looks set to stay has made me reticent to upgrade, and the relatively poor performance for the midrange cards is extremely disappointing. Perhaps if supply wasn't so screwed, competition would make it more appealing, but right now I think I may be staying with my old 980 for another year or more.

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