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    HEXUS.opinions :: AMD helps Intel get back its market share

    Is AMD trying too hard to fight against Intel, and is it fighting on the wrong fronts? It looks that way to us.
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    The main thing AMD have had going for them for the last few years, is gaming/overall speed supremacy. Which is the cornerstone of CPU sales.

    Without that market, they lose a load of sales and most importantly other markets dwindle too.

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    Unless you already own an AMD system, is there really any incentive to buy AM2 over Conroe??? Having been an AMD fanboy for the past few years I really cant see my next upgrade being anything but Conroe Its a shame really
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    Well I agree generally what you are saying. Some of the blame had to lay with the the likes of Dell for not seeing what was going to happen. Most enthusiasts knew what was happening 12 months ago. So how a corporation like Dell didnt know about the performance of Conroe over AM2 is negligence tbh, and its their own fault.
    AMD have decided to try and make a go at the server market which afaik is far more profitable than the consumer desktop. Good luck to them theres more to life than just desktop pcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greektony View Post
    Unless you already own an AMD system, is there really any incentive to buy AM2 over Conroe??? Having been an AMD fanboy for the past few years I really cant see my next upgrade being anything but Conroe Its a shame really
    Even if you have an AMD system, there is no incentive to buy AM2. In either case you will have to replace your RAM as well as your motherboard and CPU, and the way RAM prices are going at the moment, replacing 1Gb of quality RAM is not an incedental expence.

    At the moment, AMD could have a fairly captive market of upgraders. If you allready have a working AMD system, then replacing the CPU with a faster one is a fairly cheap no brainer, But AMD preventing that by moving sockets and RAM to the point where everything is incompatible. If you are going to spend the money gutting your system and replacing all the core logic then there is no incentive to stick with AMD.

    Personaly I have a stable S754 system, but I am stuck and cannot upgrade without replacing everything. If AMD brought out a decent dual core CPU for that socket they could have £150 of my money right away, as it is, I am thinking of switching to Intel at some point next year.

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    The problem is, once Clovertown is released, I fail to see why most people will buy Opteron servers.....

    AMD could be getting themselves in a pickle indeed.
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    For the benefit of those who have already read the article, AMD has now provided us with a HEXUS.right2reply statement, which we have added to the article.
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    AMD are up **** creek at the moment, in every respect it seems. They have to release something that cna match the Core 2 Duo's performance, cost and (to an extent) overclocking-wise, while being able to keep a stable production rate. I will always advice people the best bang for buck, and for the next 12 months or so that's definately going to be Intel...

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    I bet they wish they never phased S939 out so hastily right now......along with a ton of consumers.

    Reading their reply though, I wonder if they are planning to be back with something big very shortly.

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    Was bound to happen sooner or later, Intel for a while have been concentrating on Mobile chips and chipsets, now they've done that they can now concentrate on other things so there flagging Desktop market was bound to get attention.
    Hopefully AMD will have something up there sleeves, I dont count AM2 personally as its just a socket/ram change and nothing more but we'll see..

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    I have been an AMD costumer since te good old AMD Athlon 1200MHz and i did have a lot of amd´s (Athlon XP 1600+ / 1700+ / 2000+ / 2600+ / 3000+(FSB400) ), an Athlon 64+ 3000+ Skt754, an Athlon 3500+ Skt 939, and at last an Opteron 144... all of them great CPU´s, but even running my opty 144 at 2.9GHz, an Core 2 E6300 at stock speed (with the second core turned off) keeped up the pace with lower temp´s, lower noise, and with the second core on... damn...

    AMD, please reply to the Dark Side... Killing them...

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    Have you heard of the copy cat? It looks to me that Intel is copying AMD's innovative technology moves for the past several years. There are many examples on the net which explain this in detail.

    Intel will probably just reap the benefits of hard working AMD.

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    Intel is following in AMD's footsteps
    Comment Copy-cat strategy may pay off
    By John Chludzinski: Monday 16 October 2006, 15:37

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35122

    Read this from start to finish. All I have to say, AMD is the innovator working hard to better there CPU's.

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    It appears to me that the situation is actually getting worse. I ordered a 64 X2 4200+ S939 over one month ago with a local oem. Since then, I've been told over and over that the processor would arrive soon, several delivery dates were set and delayed again. Now two days ago I received an email from the company with which I ordered the processor, stating that they cannot deliver at all because AMD has kicked all Dual Core processors for S939 from its sortiment. Furthermore, AMD has not made any comments on the future availability of those processors. You can imagine how frustrated I was hearing this!

    Since then, other retailers/oems here in Switzerland have silently removed those models from their online-shops as well.

    I'm very disappointed with AMD. Not only do they leave retailers/oems alone with the problem that they can't satisfy the demand they created but the information from AMD sucks. Wherever you read statements from them concerning this issue, it's being talked down and the actual reasons remain hidden. And apparently (I'm not a close watcher of the processor market), this problem has been going on for some time now.

    Apparently, the consumer market is of no great importance to AMD anymore, so I will consequently not be buying any processors from them anytime soon again.

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    Throw away your P4 in the garbage & upgrade to a Conroe or AM2.

    It does not make sense at all to upgrade your system. There is only ONE reason why somebody should upgrade there system?

    If you own a Pentium 4 based PC, then throw it in the trash & pick up a Conroe or AM2 based system.

    If you currently own a Socket 939, there is no point in upgrading to a AM2 or a Conroe, just a waist of money IMO.

    You should though look into buying a Quad-Core based system when they become more readily available from both AMD & Intel. That is a true upgrade.
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