What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
Artificial sweeteners are actually not that great either.
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My broadband speed - 750 Meganibbles/minute
http://www.calypso.co.uk/our-products/freezable/jubbly
Go for your life...
Another Pepsi Max drinker here. However I used to do the above regularly many years ago. I think it started off as an accident, put a few cans in the freezer to cool down fast...... then erm... forget you put them there.
- Coke doesn't freeze in the sense that water does. It turns to slush.
- If left in there for too long the can does rupture.
- Rupture may be the wrong term. Explode would be more accurate.
- Makes one heck of a bang when it explodes too.
- And finally it handily decorates the inside of your freezer for you and takes ages to clean up.
I do indeed, quite happily.
We usually score pretty highly on water quality, if not right at the top. It's one of the few things we're especially good at. I know what processes my water goes through, I know when and where it was checked, and can even look up who checked it.
The wife likes those Brita filter things, but she grew up with softer, more Southern water than ours.
Bottled - Rip off, mostly, especially mineral.
Filtered - Personal taste.
NW water.... yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss..... UU have had a few nasty incidents over water quality and contaminants in recent years.
What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
Because it does us no harm, and fluoridation has been shown to have health benefits.
Why not, it's fine. If they have appendicitis I'd not blame the safe drinking water.
I mean if I was so much of a conspiracy nut that I was buying Nestle Water (yes they own Buxton) I'd be more concerned about the BPA. Luckily it's not that water soluble.
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If it makes you feel any better, we also supply natural mineral spring bottled water...
I can't stand sweeteners - they are seriously not that great and the aftertaste is not really that nice,and TBH you are fooling your body into thinking it is having glucose,so not sure long-term whether it is healthy. The best thing is to actually cut down on sugar if you really are that worried,and wash your mouth out with water after having a sugary drink.
Plus the worst thing about Coke is not the sugar - its the phosphoric acid it and many other Colas use. That is what rots your teeth.
Since there is little benefit in swallowing fluoride, there is little justification in exposing the public to any risk of fluoride neurotoxicity, particularly via a source as essential to human sustenance as the public drinking water and the many processed foods and beverages made therefrom.
Research has found impairment in cognitive abilities among children
The main fluoride chemical added to water today is hydrofluorosilicic acid an industrial by-product from the phosphate fertilizer industry.
Fluoride given to rats has been proven to cause bone cancer, liver cancer, and a host of other physical ailments
concerns have been raised about the safety of chlorine, which has been linked to serious adverse health effects, including dementia in elderly patients
Chlorine is used to combat microbial contamination, but it can react with organic matter in the water and form dangerous, carcinogenic Trihalomethanes
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What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
well in our family we lived very near a treatment plant growing up and got a higher than normal % of fluoride in our water as a result. We all had well above average cognitive ability as children. Only downside we've noticed is mottled teeth. I can live with that. Health benefits, as I understand it (and happy to admit I might be wrong) relate to the strength of bones and teeth amongst other things.
flearider, we both know what this said before I edited it. Don't. That's a direct and deliberate personal insult, and it's NOT the kind of thing we tolerate on Hexus. Consider yourself on notice. I'd suggest that, if you can't get involved in a debate without throwing insults, you stay out of debates.
While my chips are in the oven...
I've read a few studies on the effects of high fluoride levels in drinking water on the development of human intelligence. Here my observations and deductions;
- A number of studies have found associative links between high fluoride levels in drinking water supply (3+ mg/L) and an adverse effect on the development of intelligence. The high fluoride water in these studies are of areas of natural high fluoride, i.e. not artificially fluorinated
- Many of the studies comparing water supplies of high levels to low levels of fluoride had low exposure groups with fluoride levels of ~1mg/L
- All of these studies have been cohort studies and while the association is strong, none can expressly imply causation of high fluoride levels to impacted mental development.
- The low or no observable adverse-effect exposure levels have yet to be identified, but the WHO has set a 1.5mg/L guideline value based on observed health outcomes.
- No causal mechanism has been identified, but there are reasonable explanations
My opinion and what I can make from this;
- (chips and rest of dinner eaten by now)
- High fluoride levels = fluorosis = bad, that's obvious enough,
- 3mg/L, that's high - if that much was present in raw water used for drinking water in the developed world, I would be very surprised if fluoride removal wasn't employed during drinking water treatment.
- ~1mg/L is pretty much the max you'd find in municipal water supplies in the developed world
- About 10% of the UK's (or was it England?) water supplies are artificially fluorinated up to 1mg/L, studies have not found any negative health effects comparing fluorinated to non-fluorinated drinking water supplies in the UK
- The UK drinking water inspectorate requires water to have less than 1.5mg/L fluoride from the taps
IMO, if you live in the UK. There's nothing to worry about in terms of fluoride in the water.
EDIT: Whoa, this started off as a thread recommending a technique of sticking a can of coke in the freezer?
I've made coke slush by making cola ice cubes and chucking it in the blender with some fridge cooled cola, works well, tasted alright. Right faff though, personally, I'd rather drink straight fridge cooled cola and not worry about exploding cans in my freezer.
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