need legal keylogger for system on my network

[Funkstar]

Get Human Resources to give you advice. If you don't have an HR department there are companies that will happily consult for you. We do this where i work. There is only 20 of us so no point in having an actual HR dept.

[GoNz0]

drop a memo round explaining that a P45 will accompany anyone taking the pee

[kalniel]

or just confront her direct as is done in the real world rather than telling people in the office to keep an eye out, or tell her you suspect other people so could she keep an eye out.

This is a business situation with legally binding contracts so you have to be careful what you do and how you do it.

True. My 'ask her' comment was a bit flippant, as in reality even asking someone if they're doing something against the rules can be considered harrasment - you would have to do it in a very private manner in a way that no other people in the office knew about.

Best practical solution is just send around a non-specific reminder/flier pointing out the code of conduct regarding non-work use of computers or something.

[GoNz0]

or lock down the system while she is at home, disable the optical & floppy drives & USB if thats a viable option, then say theres a fault with the PC, but the basic function for her to do her work is still there so your not prepared to fix it

bugger all she can say to that

[ikonia]

disable the optical & floppy drives & USB if thats a viable option, then say theres a fault with the PC

Is this sort of thing I'm on about ???? what companies do you guys work for ???


How about - disable the usb/floppy/optical drive and say that there is no business reason for her to require access to them.

Why lie about fake faults and get yourself in legal issues ?

[GoNz0]

cus its the companies hardware, and the worlds sue happy, so imposing a restriction does not need to be answered in court as she should only be doing her work, then she has to incriminate herself into a gross misconduct position by exposing what she really needs the floppy and USB for.

now if the guy spys on her it could get nasty and she may walk away with a fat cheque for her troubles when in fact she should be sacked on the spot !

I call it looking at the wider picture, what right should anyone have to surf at work and cost the employer money, why should an employer have to go to silly measures to ensure his staff are doing there job.

of course the main question is why is the company network set up as bad as it is when in hindsight a proper network system with proxy would have stopped this thread from being posted

(because they thought they could trust staff not to take the pee ? )

[ikonia]

gonzo - do you actually work for a company or are you suggesting this in theory ?

[GoNz0]

I own my own computer business, and i have consulted on this as a client wanted to key log an employee's PC as they thought they may be backing up company documents after getting wind they may be going to a rival.

in that case i managed to find log errors from the cd rom drive proving that the cd drive had infact been used on several occasions while that person was clocked in at work and logged onto that PC. They had no reason at all to have been using the cd drive for any purpose work related, i have no idea what the outcome of this was, i just proved to the employer that they had been doing activities not inline with there duties.

They will have left tracks already that you can extract from windows, its knowing where to look !

[ikonia]

thats a totally different approach to your other posts and much more like what I was leaning towards.

Do investigation and be upfront, I was surprised you where suggesting invent false PC faults and the like

[GoNz0]

lol it was already decided during my initial look at the PC that we would cause a fault on any unsecure devices as a temporary measure

the fact he had enough resonable doubt with cd use was enough for him.

[Jay]

cus its the companies hardware, and the worlds sue happy, so imposing a restriction does not need to be answered in court as she should only be doing her work, then she has to incriminate herself into a gross misconduct position by exposing what she really needs the floppy and USB for.

now if the guy spys on her it could get nasty and she may walk away with a fat cheque for her troubles when in fact she should be sacked on the spot !

I call it looking at the wider picture, what right should anyone have to surf at work and cost the employer money, why should an employer have to go to silly measures to ensure his staff are doing there job.

of course the main question is why is the company network set up as bad as it is when in hindsight a proper network system with proxy would have stopped this thread from being posted

(because they thought they could trust staff not to take the pee ? )

tell me Gonzo, how would a proxy stop people using USB sticks? I would like to hear this one! The network is as locked down as the directors want it to be, if they say they want staff to have access to USB then what more can i say other than give them advice?

As for the keylogger I would only use it to see if she was doing wrong. If so I would then conduct a full investiagtion. What the keylogger told us would no be used against her in any way.

Telling me that my network is not setup correctly is insulting so get off ya high horse.
We do have a proxy for web browsing and its a god sent!

[GoNz0]

i know i didnt word it very well, was trying to get out the door for hours yesterday, bloody phone.
i was refering to arthurleung's comments about HTTP (but i forgot to put his name in)

wasnt on any high horse.... and being as though you never mentioned a network how could i comment on yours.. ffs

[aidanjt]

As for the keylogger I would only use it to see if she was doing wrong. If so I would then conduct a full investiagtion. What the keylogger told us would no be used against her in any way.

It wouldn't matter, the mear act of keylogging itself without users consent is illegal, trying to use it as evidence would be legal suicide. Of course you can (and should) talk to legal if you want to persue it.

[jamin]

Heres another moral dilema for you then jay: You think one of your employees is using drugs. You have no evidence but you are sure they are doing drugs in the toilet because they spend a fair bit of time in a cubicle and don't eat much. What do you do? Install a covert security camera in the cubicles to see what they are doing? Its ok though because you wont use any of the footage against them. Or just ask them outright?

Its obvious, you ask them outright. If you installed a camera only to find they have Irritable bowel syndrome how would you feel! Plus you will end up in court if caught. Invasion of privacy is not the way.

Do you have an HR dept? If so then leave the investigations to them, do not even think about infringing on someone just because YOU suspect. There may be a damn good reason for her behaviour. If you take it upon yourself to do something as illegal as you suggest, you may be the one who is sacked.

[Jay]

Heres another moral dilema for you then jay: You think one of your employees is using drugs. You have no evidence but you are sure they are doing drugs in the toilet because they spend a fair bit of time in a cubicle and don't eat much. What do you do? Install a covert security camera in the cubicles to see what they are doing? Its ok though because you wont use any of the footage against them. Or just ask them outright?

Its obvious, you ask them outright. If you installed a camera only to find they have Irritable bowel syndrome how would you feel! Plus you will end up in court if caught. Invasion of privacy is not the way.

Do you have an HR dept? If so then leave the investigations to them, do not even think about infringing on someone just because YOU suspect. There may be a damn good reason for her behaviour. If you take it upon yourself to do something as illegal as you suggest, you may be the one who is sacked.

I don't think you can really relate me recording people having a dump to me wanting to know what people are typing!

But I do understand that it could, in the long run, come back to bite me on the ass so i'll stay away from this idea

[jamin]

I don't think you can really relate me recording people having a dump to me wanting to know what people are typing!

But I do understand that it could, in the long run, come back to bite me on the ass so i'll stay away from this idea

I was just using an obscure example to relate the legal implications mate.... Glad you are clear now.