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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    It will not happen, due to the amount of work it would take to impliment, and even if it did... it still wouldnt work...

    I always use AUTH TLS to encrypt my data packets. If you must use torrents, use decent client and only download from other encrypted clients.

    Also - its a bit of a damn cheek considering how we are already getting pimped for our sluggish broadband connections, whether it be cable or adsl.

    When it comes to broadband and this country, the rest of the eu is laughing at us.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by pollaxe View Post
    So, guilty until proven innocent then.

    What a stinkfest.

    How are ISPs going to intercept encrypted data and/or over a VPN etc.?
    they are not...... if it is encrypted they can't ...... unless perhaps it is just ssl encryption and they put a proxy server in the data-stream that decrypts inbound and re-encrypts outbound... but that would break your certificate validation....
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by EtheAv8r View Post
    they are not...... if it is encrypted they can't ...... unless perhaps it is just ssl encryption and they put a proxy server in the data-stream that decrypts inbound and re-encrypts outbound... but that would break your certificate validation....
    What do you want to bet that the next idea they come up with will be licensing for encryption - commercial institutions'll have it automatically, but it'll be unlawful for private citizens. There, see, solved. If you use encryption, you'll automatically be guilty of something, even if they can't work out what. You'll still be able to talk to Amazon or your bank or whatever, but that'll be it. Police'll be bang alongside it, since it'll make RIPA that much easier to use (and they're already whingeing that the safeguards which were used to assure people that it wouldn't be misused are too restrictive, so expect those to go soon as well). Government'll go along with it, since all governments believe that they have a right to know everything about everyone, and it'll be good for ongoing donations. Opposition'll probably accept it, since standard Tory inclinations are at least as authoritarian as our current government (and let's not forget those donations!), and the LDs won't stand a cat in hell's chance if they oppose it (although they probably won't get any donations ).

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    As has been said before - this won't revolve around decrpting packets etc. all that will happen is that they'll harvest IPs connecting to (for example) trackers and that's all the 'proof' (and I use that word in protest) they'll need to request you be striked. Masking your IP is probably enough to circumvent it and that's easily done.
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    One thing that is rather encouraging is the mainstream thinking on this seems to be on the Pirates side (forgetting about privacy and all the other issues for a minute).

    Just check out the comments on the bbc site here :

    BBC NEWS | dot.life | A blog about technology from BBC News | UK takes tough stance on piracy

    I have read 75 comments so far and only one of them thought it was a 'good idea' and even then I suspect that comment was probably made by somebody in the industry judging by how poorly presen.. in fact, Il paste it here and you can decide.

    "I think this is a great idea downloading music and so on is piracy if you get caught good.I hope they get all of them filesharing as this would speed up the connection speeds no end.

    I pay for my music and movies and get fed up with piracy driving up prices for dvd's and music cd's."

    Apart from that comment, all of the other comments were rather encouraging for a mainstream site like the BBC, I think the recording industry really has blown it and we are past the point of no return. Downloading and sharing is in our culture now, unlucky for you guys you didn't do something constructive sooner to mitigate it. Tough luck I say.
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    As has been said before - this won't revolve around decrpting packets etc. all that will happen is that they'll harvest IPs connecting to (for example) trackers and that's all the 'proof' (and I use that word in protest) they'll need to request you be striked. Masking your IP is probably enough to circumvent it and that's easily done.
    ... well I currently route though an upstream proxy server providing 'in-the-cloud' malware scanning (along with loads of corporates...) so am seen as coming from teir IP not mine.... Not that I download illegal music or films I don't.

    And as for the whinger complaint about pirates driving up the prices of DVDs and music CDs - complete and utter rot..... music CDs are actually not really that expensive, nor are film DVDs after the initial release period they get very reasonable - so reasonable that is is not worth getting illegal copies.
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Piracy doesn't affect prices at all. At the end of the day, companies charge what people will pay, regardless of whether people are pirating it. If ALL piracy was wiped tomorrow does anyone really think prices would drop even a penny?

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    Piracy doesn't affect prices at all. At the end of the day, companies charge what people will pay, regardless of whether people are pirating it. If ALL piracy was wiped tomorrow does anyone really think prices would drop even a penny?
    Of course not! There would be massive extra demand and prices would rocket straight away.
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by nichomach View Post
    They'll simply assume that all traffic they can't read is naughty. Then demand that your connection is killed. Media companies DO NOT CARE whether you actually ARE guilty, they act on the suspicion that you might be. Can I suggest WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free - and I'll be bunging up a petition at the PM's website. OK, that one'll be ignored to, but what the hell...

    OK, FWIW the petition is in for "approval" and reads as follows:


    "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Abandon plans to deprive people of internet access on the basis of "suspicion" of illegal downloading

    Submitted by Nicholas Palmer – Deadline to sign up by: 12 August 2008

    Category: Information and communication

    More details:

    It is reported by the BBC and the Times that the government is considering requiring internet service providers to cut internet access for people "suspected" of illegally downloading copyrighted material. The monitoring that this policy would require is an invasion of privacy; further, there already exist legal avenues for media companies to take action against people who unlawfully share copyrighted material.

    If a media company has a "suspicion" that their material is being unlawfully shared or downloaded, then let them use the law as it stands to prove that and then have action taken to stop it.

    This proposal gives private media companies an utterly unwarranted privileged status and reverses the burden of proof to the detriment of ordinary citizens who may well be perfectly innocent of any wrongdoing, yet be punished on the basis of no more than "suspicion".

    Internet access is extremely important to a massive number of people in this country, and to suggest that it should continue only at the whim of media companies and their "suspicions" is utterly unacceptable.

    We call upon the Prime Minister to abandon this draconian, intrusive and fundamentally unjust proposal."

    Hopefully that covers the bases and as and when it gets approved I'll update this thread.
    Am I right in thinking that skype is, at least in part, peer2peer and encrypted? in which case this "all traffic they can't read" policy could include that... skype becoming un-encrypted = futher breach of privacy.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zadock View Post
    Am I right in thinking that skype is, at least in part, peer2peer and encrypted? in which case this "all traffic they can't read" policy could include that... skype becoming un-encrypted = futher breach of privacy.
    Yep; there are arguments about how solid the encryption is, as well as their own privacy policy, but in principle, yes.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    I saw this phase and think it sums it up.

    sync: U.K. Downloaders May Face Access Ban

    "ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope," The Times quoted them saying."

    The simple fact is they don't have the will or the technology to implement it, all they can actually do is identify a select few with enormous downloads and take a look. But as has already been said with networks they way they are there is no actual proof of guilt.
    And then of corse theres the argument 'my wireless network had no password on it so it could be anyone' who's to say if 6 weeks ago my wireless network was encrypted?
    The ISPs will love doing this, it's effectivly asking them to stop taking peoples money and send them to the competition.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    I host loads of torrents for Linux distros (give a little bit back and all that!) and I encrypt it. It will make me laugh if they have to keep investigating me.
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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    Apart from thinking this is an absolute joke, it's going to make for an interesting time at work. I'm Technical Support Manager for an ISP so it's going to be fun hearing exactly how the government expect us to implement this and who they expect to cover the cost of doing so. It's one thing identifying P2P traffic - it's another to then automatically detect if it's copyrighted material. Of course then we'll need a new department to investigate possible copyright violations.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    I have no interest in downloading a film or any music. The ridiculous idea that you can monitor everyone is so wrong from a privacy point of view, not least that you are NOT PROVEN guilty of anything, but can be switched off. It about time this country woke up to the fact that we are just being treated like rubbish by OUR governments and bureucrats.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    if they're going to be scanning all of our internet traffic, does that mean they will be scanning our internet banking and all other encrypted data that seriously needs to be kept encrypted and not opened until it reaches the bank's servers.

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    Re: Illegal downloaders face Internet ban?

    "Hi,

    I'm sorry to inform you that your petition has been rejected.

    Your petition was classed as being in the following categories:

    * Potentially libellous, false, or defamatory statements

    Further information: No such proposals have been put forward...
    ...-- the ePetitions team"

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