Bullies to FireFox & Other Alternate Browsers

[Matt1eD]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4115806.stm

[Dooms]

yep its annoying, odeon is the only one of those said sites that i use and have to go back to IE to open.

[Atomic]

It is annoying, but you get used to it after a while (even though that shouldnt be the case)

[DavidM]

I test any pages I do under firefox (except on one of my home machines as it always crashes)

[directhex]

nothing new here.

odeon have been told, repeatedly, the 6-line fix to their javascript to get their site working in firefox, for over 5 years.

five years.

a large company can't implement a simple 6-line patch to a javascript file to open up to an extra 8% of web users (not counting users of the original mozilla, or netscape 6+), in five years.

what hope do we have as long as websites are written by MCSe's with a flash and javascript fetish?

[directhex]

I test any pages I do under firefox (except on one of my home machines as it always crashes)

i write pages for use in firefox, then later implement all sorts of dirty hacks to make them mostly work in msie.

[nichomach]

^Cos he's THAT hard...

Seriously though, that sort of thing does annoy me; Odeon. Big company. Not short of cash. Why not just adhere to the damn standards? Then EVERY browser'd work.

[RoGuE|SaBeR]

Sadly adhereing to standards would mean that IE probably would cave in around you and decide just the sake of it to burn your computer to the ground - IE isn't a big fan of standards, which sucks the big one.

[Allen]

Websites that proved difficult for Firefox users to navigate included the government website Jobcentreplus.gov.uk and the cinema site Odeon.co.uk.

Both site seem to work OK on FF here...

[directhex]

Both site seem to work OK on FF here...

you must be running a different firefox to everyone else on earth, then

go to www.odeon.co.uk (as their incompetant web people haven't got the site accessible without the www)

click "Enter odeon.co.uk"

and now...?

[Allen]

OK, just checked the front pages. Weird.

[directhex]

OK, just checked the front pages. Weird.

not weird. pretty simple.

there are three basic models in javascript for how to name elements in a page:

the msie model
the netscape 4.x model
the everything else model

the odeon website is hard-coded with the first two models only. it's a 6-line fix to one of their javascript files to support the third.

[iMc]

Just pure idle lazy ignorance on the part of Odeon. Can't someone hack their system and fix it!

EDIT: Not to say I condone hacking, because it is usually for nasty reasons.

[unrealrocks]

ODEON site works perfect inside Opera Either they've updated it or its just FireFox, lols. You can make Opera (and firefox if you enable the debug menu) look to web servers as if its MSIE - it makes sites that usually block non IE traffic work 99% of the time, theres only a few that still throw you back (such as Natwests site).

[directhex]

ODEON site works perfect inside Opera Either they've updated it or its just FireFox, lols. You can make Opera (and firefox if you enable the debug menu) look to web servers as if its MSIE - it makes sites that usually block non IE traffic work 99% of the time, theres only a few that still throw you back (such as Natwests site).

if you took the time to read 2 posts up, you'd see that it isn't a HTTP_USER_AGENT issue.

if opera works with the site, then either it's using a dodgy javascript document object model in general, or has some site-specific overrides (as used to translate msn.com into swedish chef-ese in the bork bork bork edition of opera)

and, as stated 9 posts up, this also affects mozilla, camino, netscape 6 or higher, galeon, kazehakase, and probably more besides

[Trippledence]

if you took the time to read 2 posts up, you'd see that it isn't a HTTP_USER_AGENT issue.

if opera works with the site, then either it's using a dodgy javascript document object model in general, or has some site-specific overrides (as used to translate msn.com into swedish chef-ese in the bork bork bork edition of opera)

and, as stated 9 posts up, this also affects mozilla, camino, netscape 6 or higher, galeon, kazehakase, and probably more besides

Your just jealous of us opera users. At least you can still see the cool background in FF.... Whata load of cack. Opera 7 used to have problems with quite a few php sites, which was rather iritating, but i cant think of any majour problems i've had with 8.