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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by s3ds View Post
    I think next time ill
    1-paint some on
    2-spead some more with my finger
    3-(grab second tube)
    4-place lines horizontal, vertical and diagonal
    5-place a blob on top for good measure ( like a Mr Whippy )
    6-force CPU cooler down as hard as posible
    7-clean excess off motherboard with Tim-clean

    actually the bag trick above is a damn good idea better than having a rag handy to wipe finger on.
    The bag isn't for no messy fingers, it's for not getting skin oils all over the TIM and causing a barrier between the TIM and your heatsink. But even bags aren't very good for even TIM distribution.
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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    The bag isn't for no messy fingers, it's for not getting skin oils all over the TIM and causing a barrier between the TIM and your heatsink. But even bags aren't very good for even TIM distribution.
    ok point taken ill never use my finger again , would you remove the pads from a retail fan or would you leave it ?

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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by s3ds View Post
    ok point taken ill never use my finger again , would you remove the pads from a retail fan or would you leave it ?
    They tend to be the first thing to go for me, I just use a creditcard like piece of plastic for that, and my little plastic stick for spreading of the TIM.
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    Re: Thermal paste

    I personally use a bag (like sandwich bag)...

    I first clean the surfaces with a HS cleaner.. then I apply a small amount to the heatsink first... which I then buff off with a kleenex. Basically you want the fine metal particles of AS5 to sit in the grooves and tiny crevices on the surface of the heatsink but not cover it up, so buff away hehe.

    Once thats done... I apply a half rice grain sized blob to the centre of the CPU.
    Then with my finger through the corner of a sandwich bag for protection, I smear it all over the CPU surface into a thin (almost transparent) layer.

    I find that keeping your AS5 in the fridge makes it spread easier.

    You do not want a thick layer of compound... you want it real thin to maximise metal to metal contact.

    The thermal compound is not supposed to be a barrier between the chip and HS... It is merely there to fill in the minute gaps that appear on the surfaces and maximise surface area contact.

    From personal experience, this gives me far superior results to all other methods that I have tried to date on all the builds I have done.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur2 View Post
    I've always used my finger.....and why we are on the subject of AS, why not use methylated spirits for removing AS, you can drink and work at the same time.
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    Re: Thermal paste

    I dont know if the dye used in meths is a good idea....
    Surfaces for AS5 should apparently be prepared with high quality isopropyl alcohol..
    petroleum or citrus based oil cleaners are not advised as the oils they contain will sink into the tiny pores of the metal surface and reduce the effectiveness of the compound.

    Also... i saw someone reccomending Akasa HS cleaner... as far as I know, thats a citrus based cleaner.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by twicksisted View Post
    I dont know if the dye used in meths is a good idea....
    Surfaces for AS5 should apparently be prepared with high quality isopropyl alcohol..
    petroleum or citrus based oil cleaners are not advised as the oils they contain will sink into the tiny pores of the metal surface and reduce the effectiveness of the compound.

    Also... i saw someone reccomending Akasa HS cleaner... as far as I know, thats a citrus based cleaner.
    I've used brandy or whisky in the past, but would think the AS is already in the pores of the metal before you start wiping it off, to replace with a fresh dollop. And I doubt that most people would scrub the surface clean.
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    Re: Thermal paste

    Just to add some more thoughts I use artic cooling MX1 and have tried both methods.
    Current system AMD x2 5000 black edition at 3.1 Ghz @ 1.375 v with a freezer 64.

    Spread thinly resulted in my system restarting as the cpu over heated.

    Blob in the middle and a twist of the heatsink as shown on the artic cooling website and now at 46 degrees at 100% cpu with dual prime 95.

    So I think it also depends on the tim you use.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by teachmech View Post
    Spread thinly resulted in my system restarting as the cpu over heated.
    Woahhhhhh, that's sounds like the HSF wasn't seated correctly
    A CPU at stock should never overheat, just run warmer; even with no TIM as long as there is a heatsink on it.
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    Re: Thermal paste

    ive always used the finger in bag method!


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    Re: Thermal paste

    For removing TIM use Acetone - 50ml bottle for around 99p from chemists. Cheaper on ebay but you'll get a bigger bottle.

    I use Ceramique/MX1 (not together though) and I believe with those you have to put a blob on. I thought only Acrtic Silver had to be spread?

    I can't believe half a grain of rice size paste can be spread over a IHS or core - please can someone post pics (sometime ago I do remember looking at the Arctic Silver site but still couldn't believe it).

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    Re: Thermal paste

    If you are going to use acetone then be careful with it because it will dissolve alot of plastics (and you won't find out which ones until you've spilt it on your mobo/cpu etc)

    I would recommend isopropyl alcohol (isopropanol, IPA) because this will not attack plastic. Available here, more than you will ever need. I'm sure other places like fleabay do it too. Be careful though, it is flammable!
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    Re: Thermal paste

    Quote Originally Posted by iranu View Post
    If you are going to use acetone then be careful with it because it will dissolve alot of plastics (and you won't find out which ones until you've spilt it on your mobo/cpu etc)

    I would recommend isopropyl alcohol (isopropanol, IPA) because this will not attack plastic. Available here, more than you will ever need. I'm sure other places like fleabay do it too. Be careful though, it is flammable!
    Yes, you've got to be careful with Acetone as it states on the bottle "attacks plastics".

    With regards Isopropyl Alcohol, I've never used it to remove TIM as I thought it wouldn't remove it! I do use it to clean the heatsink/cpu core, once I've removed the TIM with Acetone.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    You can get isopropanol in a large can from Maplin as well. A few quid. Removes thermal compound very nicely.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    I had a job removing some TIM from the heatpipe cooler of a Asus A8N SLI Premium.

    Acetone and Isopropyl Alcohol couldn't remove the TIM so I ended up scraping off the top layer and then using Acetone to do the rest.

    Would Akasa TIM have removed the paste (without having to scrape the top layer)?

    I applied MX1 and fortunately (thank God) the MB temps are down by 5c 'ish. Used to be the MB temps were higher than the passive Ninja temps.

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    Re: Thermal paste

    I've often found that the stuff the manufacturers use on graphics cards, chipset coolers etc is rock hard (and often poorly applied) so I tend do scrape it of with a very small sharp knife (scalpel) or a pencil sharpener blade aswell. Then finish with IPA.

    I've not come across a safe solvent that will get rid of the manufacturers crap. Nowadays I remove heatsinks and put my own thermal paste on asap.
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