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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Hmm, dont think it does? As long as the evp aint above? Plus how would they know, my mobo ocs automatically to about 2.7ghz automatically

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    Its quite simple really. Your PSU should be providing 5V to certain parts of your PC... It is not. Its is only providing 4.8V. This could have severe consequences i.e. PC death.
    Thats a bit over the top
    4.8V won't cause death. In fact death should only happen if the PSU has other issues.

    4.8 only works out at about 4% off its intended rating. Thats really quite small and all parts within a PC should be built with considerably higher tolerances in mind
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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ommid View Post
    Hmm, dont think it does? As long as the evp aint above? Plus how would they know, my mobo ocs automatically to about 2.7ghz automatically
    If you have mahoosively overclocked it with loads of volts, then and it blows, then its quite easy to see that its been overclocked... the burn marks/smell give it away

    If you manage to kill it without leaving any evidence, then congratulations, you win a free cpu (that you are legally not entitled to)

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    If you have mahoosively overclocked it with loads of volts, then and it blows, then its quite easy to see that its been overclocked... the burn marks/smell give it away

    If you manage to kill it without leaving any evidence, then congratulations, you win a free cpu (that you are legally not entitled to)
    already invalidated when that ultra 120 was plonked on it

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    Its quite simple really. Your PSU should be providing 5V to certain parts of your PC... It is not. Its is only providing 4.8V. This could have severe consequences i.e. PC death.
    Thats a bit over the top
    4.8V won't cause death. In fact death should only happen if the PSU has other issues.

    4.8 only works out at about 4% off its intended rating. Thats really quite small and all parts within a PC should be built with considerably higher tolerances in mind
    Hence my wording. I disagree that it won't but it certainly could imo... even if there is a 1% or less chance, it could still (granger) cause death at least because of same shared underlying effect

    Crap power supply increases chance of undervolting rails
    Crap power supply increases chance of death

    It will definitely effect the conditional distribution of pc death. I'm sure I can prove this with bayes theorem but I can't be bothered

    hope you don't know what a spurious relationship is because it nullifies my argument a little - but it still doesn't change the statistical causality
    Last edited by SiM; 10-04-2008 at 08:03 PM.

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Undervolting is surely just going to increase the chance of instability? Giving less power is never going to cause anything to explode. OTOH I wouldn't want a PSU that was out of spec on the 5V rail.

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Thats a bit over the top
    4.8V won't cause death. In fact death should only happen if the PSU has other issues.

    4.8 only works out at about 4% off its intended rating. Thats really quite small and all parts within a PC should be built with considerably higher tolerances in mind
    Its not small considering the limits are recommended at +/-5%

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson View Post
    Undervolting is surely just going to increase the chance of instability? Giving less power is never going to cause anything to explode. OTOH I wouldn't want a PSU that was out of spec on the 5V rail.
    Yep...you are right.
    Undervolting = instability/increased temperatures/general poor performance
    Overvolting = all of the above and likely to kill things.

    I just pointed it out as it was undervolting at stock. Christ knows what it will do to it with an overclock.
    Personally, i wouldnt want a PSU in one of machines that was behaving right on the threshold of stability.

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    You simply can't equate voltage output to the likelihood that something is going to die in that way. Low volts does not simply equal bad unit (It could have been calibrated wrongly for example, which has no relation to how reliable it is).
    If you were going to try and make the link between anything, it would be amps/current and not wattage.

    There is no way that 4.8V risks damaging parts. Most household electronics are made with a tolerance of 10% in mind (either way), although computer parts are usually a bit less.

    So even saying 4.8V "could" damage IMO is wrong. There is simply no way that a conclusion like that can be drawn off so little data.
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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Hmm, I paid like 70 quid for it lol so I wouldnt call it a cheap psu

    How can the q6600 warranty be void by putting a ultra 120 extreme on!? OEM comes with no cooler and then you buy one !?

    Well I am @ 333mhz at 4 4 4 12 and 333 fsb @ 1.3v v core now, dont think that will kill it tbh

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    You simply can't equate voltage output to the likelihood that something is going to die in that way. Low volts does not simply equal bad unit (It could have been calibrated wrongly for example, which has no relation to how reliable it is).
    If you were going to try and make the link between anything, it would be amps/current and not wattage.

    There is no way that 4.8V risks damaging parts. Most household electronics are made with a tolerance of 10% in mind (either way), although computer parts are usually a bit less.

    So even saying 4.8V "could" damage IMO is wrong. There is simply no way that a conclusion like that can be drawn off so little data.
    As i said before...undervolting wont kill anything.......it will though cause instability/overheating/performance issues.

    Also, actually 4.8v is low.
    Its not calibration as there would be no pot in the unit. If there was then, like the OCZ Powerstreams, i could be adjusted to suit.

    Hmm, I paid like 70 quid for it lol so I wouldnt call it a cheap psu
    No one siad it was a cheap PSU (not me anyway).
    THis is, the Hyper Type-R's arent cheap either and they are a real mess.

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Its not small considering the limits are recommended at +/-5%
    Which is 4.75 V/ 5.25 V.
    Thats just the operating specs, so 4.85 is well within them...within 3% to be exact. So yes, that's small, although probably not ideal for overclockers.

    This is all irrelevant through from a software reading. The only true way to check voltage is at the points with a calibrated device.
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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    This is all irrelevant through from a software reading. The only true way to check voltage is at the points with a calibrated device.
    Maybe...but i dont think so.
    The other rails are reading normally.

    I posted earlier it needs to be done with a DMM.

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    Re: Heatsink Change Log - Q6600 Stock ---> Thermal Right U120 Extreme (In Pics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    As i said before...undervolting wont kill anything.......it will though cause instability/overheating/performance issues.
    And I never said otherwise. Or even quoted you for that matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Also, actually 4.8v is low.
    Its not calibration as there would be no pot in the unit. If there was then, like the OCZ Powerstreams, i could be adjusted to suit.
    Pot?
    I clearly stated:

    Low volts does not simply equal bad unit (It could have been calibrated wrongly for example, which has no relation to how reliable it is).
    I spoke of unit calibration and reliability, nothing more. Reread my post please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Maybe...but i dont think so.
    The other rails are reading normally.

    I posted earlier it needs to be done with a DMM.
    You don't think so? Electronics 101: The only way to measure a voltage reliably is at the point of reading, with a calibrated device. Motherboard voltage regulators are not calibrated individually, thus you can have calibration errors on any of the lines.
    In fact, how do we know that the +5V isn't the correct reading (sitting at 5V) and the others are being over-volted? Quite simply, we don't.

    The other rails have nothing to do with it. They all have to be calibrated individually, that by its very nature is what calibration is all about.
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