Core i3 530 vs X4 630

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

} or sepnd £40 on a GT220 - am i right ?

OTH,the new 5 series ATI cards such as the HD5670,HD5570 and some lower end cards are coming out soon so they are probably worth a look too.

[Terbinator]

Anandtechs coverage is quite good, the simulated i3's seem to blast the Athlon II range.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...spx?i=3704&p=1

[scaryjim]

} or sepnd £40 on a GT220 - am i right ?

I'd rather spend £40 on a HD4650 tbh

But as CAT says the 5600 / 5500 should be along in the next few weeks, so well worth waiting for those before buying low end graphics at the minute...

[Terbinator]

I'd rather spend £40 on a HD4650 tbh

But as CAT says the 5600 / 5500 should be along in the next few weeks, so well worth waiting for those before buying low end graphics at the minute...

You guys aren't seeing the bigger picture, think about the PhysX, THE PHYSX I TELL YA'

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Anandtechs coverage is quite good, the simulated i3's seem to blast the Athlon II range.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...spx?i=3704&p=1

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You do realise that I linked to the Anandtech review in my opening post did you??

The review shows that in non-gaming benchmarks the X4 630 either draws with the Core i3 530 or beats it more often than it losses. Hardly a blasting IMHO considering they have a similar price AFAIK.

In gaming the Core i3 is faster but then even the Phenom II X2 550 and X3 710 and 720 are faster than the X4 630 as I stated in my opening post too!!

[Pob255]

Took too long typing this: I'm replying to Pob's earlier post

I hate to nitpick, but I don't think any of that is true.

Ok I've got mixed up here, I'll admit it, too many different versions of things that are coming out atm, with the same model designation or other forms of confusing rebranding (I still think intel has nicked nvidia's play book)

Memory Controller / i5 Downclock

Yep I stand corrected here, the i5 6xx is also seperate memory controller, I was getting mixed up.
However the memory controller is on the same chip as the graphics, so can you clock them independently? or would underclocking one also effect the other which would lead to reduced memory performance as well as reduced IGP performance.

IGP Performance / 785G vs 790GX

I've not read the Hexus review of the i5 6xx yet to compair what they did, just the original 2 articals CAT linked.
And on 785g vs 790GX I got my reviews mixed up again
The one I was looking at which shows the 785g beating the 790GX is this one
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/28...5g/index8.html
But granted that is Crysis only
This may be down to the 785g being DX10.1 and the 790gx only DX10 (AFAIK)

Intel grafting IGP + Memory Controller to single die

Yes it's showing better performance, but how much is that down to the die shrunk and improved IGP and cpu, over the fact that all they've done is take the northbridge off the motherboard and stuck it next to the cpu chip on the "package"?
What I'm tring to question is if someone made a p55 with onboard graphics would we see simular resaults?
Oh wait, intel have used rediculiously high lisence costs to effectively make that impossible for anyone to do, so I guess we'll never know.

How much simplier will it make motherboard design? some, not as much as moving the memory controller onto the cpu does.
What it will do is make it cheaper as they no longer have to buy a northbridge/IGP & southbridge chip off Intel to put on it, just the one single chip.

It also means you now have to have new motherboards that are cpu dependent.
While they are the same pin number and socket AFAIK they are motherboard dependent, ie you can only put an i5 6xx or i3 into an h55 motherboard and a i5 7xx in a p55 motherboard.

Which leaves Clarkdale as the only decent-performance CPU + GPU package available, regardless of how it's been put together.

No it's the only decent on one "package" package.
Alot of this is going to be dependent on the cost of the motherboard and the cpu's
The fact that you'll need to buy a new motherboard and a new cpu+IGP to make that package.
This means you could also buy a cpu and a motherboard+IGP which still perform very well.

I will say this, Well done Intel you've finally made an IGP that's caught up with the top end ATi/nvidia IGP's.

[Terbinator]

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You do realise that I linked to the Anandtech review in my opening post did you??

The review shows that in non-gaming benchmarks the X4 630 either draws with the Core i3 530 or beats it more often than it losses. Hardly a blasting IMHO.

In gaming the Core i3 is faster but then even the Phenom II X2 550 and X3 710 and 720 are faster than the X4 630 as I stated in my opening post too!!

I missed the orignal link/post, but surely people will be looking to buy these as a part of a budget gaming build in which case they make sense - final pricing dependant of course.

@Pob you can put the newer chips into existing boards and vice versa.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The Intel IGP still has issues though:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/I...re_i5_661_GPU/

I cannot understand why Intel has such poor driver support for its IGPs still!!

[Terbinator]

The Intel IGP still has issues though:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/I...re_i5_661_GPU/

I cannot understand why Intel has such poor driver support for its IGPs still!!

Even in a budget gaming build no-one is going to use IGP.

[Pob255]

@Pob you can put the newer chips into existing boards and vice versa.

Just spotted that and I do stand corrected.
Reading the Hexus review now.

EDIT: although you cannot use the on "package" graphics on a p55 motherboard.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Even in a budget gaming build no-one is going to use IGP.

What if it is a non-gaming build then or someone want to run older games for example?? The same goes for notebook versions of the IGP. There is no excuse for Intel not to iron out drivers problems with their IGPs.

Anyway it have been nice to see the Phenom II X2 and the Phenom II X3 processors too in the mix as these are the AMD processors you would look to use in the £60 to £90 range for a gaming build.

[Terbinator]

Well there fine if not gaming, theyve come in and replaced the Core 2 which was/is fine now.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TBH,the Core i3 CPU which I am looking forward to is the Pentium G6950. It could be the new E5200 as it has a higher multiplier than a Core i5 750 and slightly less cache than the other Core i3 processors(3MB as opposed to 4MB).

[Pob255]

The more I look at this the more the cost is going to come down to CPU + motherboard.
There's been a lot of AMD motherboard that are very nice and cheaper than intel boards, while the amd cpu's have been slightly cheaper.
Add the totals together and we keep on recomending amd systems for a low cost build.

If Intel make the cpu's cheaper and the motherboard costs come down a big chunk, then it may change.

[Terbinator]

Does the 6950 still run on a 133 bus ?

[malfunction]

Anyone seen decent clock for clock - and overclock for overclock - performance analysis anywhere? The review on HardOCP has some but it would be nice to see some more data on how an easy overclock on the new i5s / i3s compares performance wise to an easy overclock on Phenom II, Athlon II, and Core 2 Quad / Core 2 Duo.