Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Newbie moving from Intel to AMD.. Advice Pls

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post

    Question Newbie moving from Intel to AMD.. Advice Pls

    Hello to all!

    I'm thinking of building a new AMD system, primarily for Gaming, but some Audio & Photographic work. Would like to have a bit of fun with overclocking, but stability and reliability is of far greater concern to me than benchmark scores..

    I had this rough spec in mind, but I'm a bit green on what is advisable/recommended on the S939 platform:

    Asus A8N-SLi Deluxe Mobo
    AMD Athlon64 3500+ Winchester S939 CPU
    1GB of appropriate Corsair (or whatever make) RAM
    Western Digital Raptor10k 74GB HDD
    PCI-E GF6800GT DDR3 (one or two depending on finance)
    Antec NeoPower 480 ATX2 PSU

    I'd love to go for 3 Raptors and Raid5 it, but unsure of the quality of the controller on the Asus board, and can't really afford 3 of those 10k beasts anyway!


    Please feel free to suggest changes etc, but I'm assuming this sort of setup will cane an Intel S775, of similar cost, to death in almost everything..

    Many thanks in advance,
    Simon.

  2. #2
    MD
    MD is offline
    Ex-HEXUS.net Staff MD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    6,366
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked
    137 times in 60 posts
    • MD's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-M PRO
      • CPU:
      • i5 - i3570k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Corsair Vengeance
      • Storage:
      • 2 x 256GB SSD's (Samsung and Crucial)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVidia 640
      • PSU:
      • Corsair 600W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone TJ08e MATX
      • Operating System:
      • Win 8
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Dell Flat Panel
      • Internet:
      • 60mb Virgin Media
    Well having just got back from the store with a shiny new MSI K8N-54G Neo2 and 2GB of ram I am eagerly awaiting me finding a retailer with the 3500+ in stock so I can try it out, I myself am moving over from Intel with this updgrade.

    I will let you know my thoughts when its built, and if I do encounter any problems. Your specification looks fine and your reasonings for upgrade are the same as mine, if not back to front

    i am still not convinced on the length of life in SLi, I would love to be proved wrong having seen it at Bloodline, I hate the fact i have the feeling it will go the same as 3Dfx did back in the days, It all comes down to gaming support, once that starts then it will be great, but the lead time on that will be long, very long in game development terms.

    I went with 2 x serials 160Gb a throw, will upgrade to Raptors when the finances allow and use the serials for external storage devices.

    Good luck with what ever you choose to do, the next week for me will be about telling experiences and see if you can learn anything from me lol

    m@
    Please do not message me about Scan Free shipping, I no longer work for HEXUS.net

  3. #3
    Taz
    Taz is offline
    Senior Member Taz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    2,111
    Thanks
    49
    Thanked
    26 times in 25 posts
    • Taz's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z270 HD3P
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i5 7600K
      • Memory:
      • Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R Vengeance LPX 16 GB
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 960 EVO M.2-2280 500GB (PCIe) + 1TB Sandisk Ultra II SSD (SATA)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 OC
      • PSU:
      • Corsair CS550M 550W Hybrid
      • Case:
      • NZXT Source 340
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • 34" Asus Designo Curve MX34VQ UWQHD Monitor
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media Vivid 200
    Hi Simon, i'm in the same boat and have used this site extensively over the last week or so. I'm currently speccing the following system if it helps:

    - ThermalTake Tsunami Silver Aluminum (VA3000SNA)
    - 480W Tagan Whisper quiet 21db
    - Asus A8N-SLi Deluxe
    - AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Winchester 90nm (939 Pin) - Retail
    - Asus Extreme GeForce PCX6600 GT 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT-DVI (PCI-E) - Retail
    - 74 GB Western Digital Raptor
    - Maxtor DiamondMax +10 160GB
    - Part No. BL6464Z505 512MB, Ballistix 184-pin DIMM (x 2)
    - MX5020 2-piece wall-mountable speaker system
    - Pavilion F1904 19" TFT
    - Thermalright XP-90
    - Panaflo 92L1BX 92mm
    - Asus WL-138G Wireless LAN PCI adapter Retail Boxed

    This is working out at around £1400 at the moment (well over my initial £1K budget!). It's similar to the system you're looking at apart from the graphics card. The 6800GT will have to wait until later in the year and i'm only speccing the 6600GT at the moment. I'm reusing a few bits and pieces that I already have and that do not affect raw performance (eg. mouse, keyboard, DVD writer, etc.)

    You may run into the same problem, but I cannot find any suppliers for most of this kit at the moment (apart from those selling at ridiculous prices).

    Taz

  4. #4
    HEXUS webmaster Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    14,268
    Thanks
    286
    Thanked
    828 times in 468 posts
    • Steve's system
      • CPU:
      • Intel i3-350M 2.27GHz
      • Memory:
      • 8GiB Crucial DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 320GB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Intel HD3000
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 11.10
    Reading the spec sheet in the manual, it is the SiImage chip that supports RAID5. That'll be entirely software based and so use the CPU for parity calculations. This isn't good for performance.

    I have a Promise RAID 5 card that takes some (but admittedly not all) of the processing away from the main CPU. A lot more expensive than that SiI chip, but still cheaper than other RAID 5 solutions.
    PHP Code:
    $s = new signature();
    $s->sarcasm()->intellect()->font('Courier New')->display(); 

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taz
    You may run into the same problem, but I cannot find any suppliers for most of this kit at the moment (apart from those selling at ridiculous prices).
    Yeah, I'd noticed the dreaded "OUT OF STOCK" symbols next to all the good stuff, on most sites!

    Quote Originally Posted by visidigi
    I will let you know my thoughts when its built, and if I do encounter any problems. Your specification looks fine and your reasonings for upgrade are the same as mine, if not back to front
    I will watch and listen with baited breath..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    Reading the spec sheet in the manual, it is the SiImage chip that supports RAID5. That'll be entirely software based and so use the CPU for parity calculations.
    Ahh.. Software based RAID.. Hmm.. I was looking at the Adaptec solution a while back (then for a P4 system), but that was £230 just for the controller. I don't think the performance gain or peace of mind is worth 3 HDD's + extra controller. I'll buy me a DL-DVDR drive and backup my system partion to that!


    Thanks to all so far.. What about O/C'ing.. What's a sensible memory make to go for - what spec? Non-stock HSF? Do the 64's respond well to brutal poking about in this department?

    S.

  6. #6
    Senior Member JimmyBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    BKNL
    Posts
    1,565
    Thanks
    144
    Thanked
    31 times in 27 posts
    • JimmyBoy's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS Maximus VI ROG Hero
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7 4770k @ 4.4ghz
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro 2133mhz
      • Storage:
      • 250gb Samsung 840 SSD / 3tb Seagate / 1tb Western Digital
      • Graphics card(s):
      • HiS ATi Radeon HD 7950
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster GX 650w
      • Case:
      • Bit Fenix Shinobi XL
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 27" LG IPS277L-BN 1920x1080
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 120mb down 10mb up
    why not get a 3200+ winchester?
    it would easily reach 3500+ speeds, ok the multi is a tad lower but if ur lucky u could end up with a better clocker than a typical 3500+ anyway

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy
    why not get a 3200+ winchester?
    it would easily reach 3500+ speeds, ok the multi is a tad lower but if ur lucky u could end up with a better clocker than a typical 3500+ anyway
    See, I really am green when it comes to AMD. I have no idea what chips have greater potential for O/C'ing, or what memory is best for this platform. I need educating. Someone please drag me away from IntHell..

    S.

  8. #8
    MD
    MD is offline
    Ex-HEXUS.net Staff MD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    6,366
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked
    137 times in 60 posts
    • MD's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-M PRO
      • CPU:
      • i5 - i3570k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Corsair Vengeance
      • Storage:
      • 2 x 256GB SSD's (Samsung and Crucial)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVidia 640
      • PSU:
      • Corsair 600W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone TJ08e MATX
      • Operating System:
      • Win 8
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Dell Flat Panel
      • Internet:
      • 60mb Virgin Media
    I am the same I need educating, the worst part for me though is I have a mobo in the case tray sitting next to me with 2gb of nicely blue coloured ram and its just sitting there, staring at me saying use me and abuse me

    m'
    Please do not message me about Scan Free shipping, I no longer work for HEXUS.net

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Quote Originally Posted by visidigi
    I have a mobo in the case tray sitting next to me with 2gb of nicely blue coloured ram and its just sitting there, staring at me saying use me and abuse me
    That IS harsh.. lol.

    Next question is, if I had an extra £300 lying around (which I don't at the moment ), what would be the best bet: move up to FX55 CPU, or a second 6800GT? I'm assuming and hoping that the general concensus will go for the second 6800GT.. At least, I hope that's the way to go, seeing as I'm looking at this SLI mobo!

    TIA,
    S.

  10. #10
    Banned StormPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,194
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    I just built that exact system. I would suggest a non-SLI board if you will only buy 1 GFX card. Why pay for something you are not using.

    That's a killer system. If you can't afford 2 6800GTs get 2 6600GTs. It will beat 1 6800 and you'll be using the SLI. Oh, and SLI ROCKS!!!
    Last edited by StormPC; 06-01-2005 at 07:17 AM.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    That's a killer system. If you can't afford 2 6800GTs get 2 6600GTs.
    I will ultimately, if not straight away, get 2 x 6800GT's. It's just that with that GFX SLI setup, I was worried about the CPU becoming the bottleneck, hence my questioning what would be more valuable - the CPU upgrade or the SLI.


    On a side, but serious note.. Without opening a nasty can of worms here, does anyone have any opinions on how smooth the WindowsXP environment is to work with under AMD64?

    I've worked with, and built Intel systems all my life - never used an AMD system for serious work - which I intend to, such as Logic Audio & Photoshop.. I've heard many people say that XP feels sluggish under AMD64, especially when multitasking, due to lack of HyperThreading etc.. is there any truth in this?


    Many thanks to all,
    S.

  12. #12
    MD
    MD is offline
    Ex-HEXUS.net Staff MD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    6,366
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked
    137 times in 60 posts
    • MD's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-M PRO
      • CPU:
      • i5 - i3570k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB Corsair Vengeance
      • Storage:
      • 2 x 256GB SSD's (Samsung and Crucial)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVidia 640
      • PSU:
      • Corsair 600W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone TJ08e MATX
      • Operating System:
      • Win 8
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Dell Flat Panel
      • Internet:
      • 60mb Virgin Media
    Apparently theres going to be a AMD price drop on Monday, hence low stocks, I am trying to find out just how true this is though....

    m@
    Please do not message me about Scan Free shipping, I no longer work for HEXUS.net

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18-10-2004, 05:59 AM
  2. Thinking if moving to a SFF advice opinions please
    By Gunbuster in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-01-2004, 12:00 PM
  3. Do you get an 'XP rating' applied when you o/c?
    By Austin in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 56
    Last Post: 11-12-2003, 03:10 PM
  4. SFF FAQ And Drivers - Updated 13th June 2004
    By XTR in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-08-2003, 02:53 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •