These Venice Core Type things

[StormPC]

No arguments here, just letting Rave know I'm not interested in what he thinks about my opinion. I have thoughts on the value of his opinions as well, but I let others decide for themselves rather than attacking his posts sentence for sentence. It's just not necessary and it's very weak when people do that. Some people just can't stand it when others have opinions different from their own.

Anyway, I'm sure all these points of view will help you. What about underclocking as was mentioned earlier?

Smokey...they can be.

And you of all people should understand the importance of cache, with your 1MB ClawHammer.

[Rave]

Hi, this arguing is making me feel guilty, you have all been helpful and any points of view are good as it gives me a good horizon on what people think.

Just please stop arguing

Well I'll apologise upfront, because I'm not about to let this one go. I wouldn;t worry because apparently:

No arguments here, just letting Rave know I'm not interested in what he thinks about my opinion.

Anyway, we all agree on one thing, which is that you should get the 3700 SD over the 3800 Venice- but you could try undervolting your current CPU first. There really is basically no risk to this, and you can often run a processor at stock speed at considerably lower than stock volts. This cuts heat output by a lot, since heat output rises with the square of the voltage. A CPU running at 2V puts out twice as much heat as one running at 1.45V all else being equal.

What did I advise? Put the crack pie down for awhile, eh? I simply gave him information. I'm not interested in telling him what he wants, that's for him to decide.

Advice, information- whatever. Whatever you gave him has been unhelpful.

You're really good at taking comments out of context. Why don't you try reading MY entire post? Do you understand what context is?

It seems that you are the one who doesn't understand context. Let me explain it. In order to quote somebody out of context, you have to quote words that they've written without quoting the qualifying statements that follow them. As an example if a film review said:

Could be the lads film of the year- as long as they're drunk and past caring. Everyone else should AVOID

If the posters for the film then said:

Could be the lads film of the year

....that would be an example of quoting out of context. So, since none of the statements you've made in this post were followed by any qualifying statement, it's simply not possible for me to have quoted them out of context. You, however, earlier said:

3700+ San Diego would probably beat the snot out of a 3800+ Venice unless you got an exceptional Venice. Clock for clock the 3700+ would whip up on the 3800+.

Which is a) debatable, since I wouldn't call a <9% improvement 'beating the snot' or 'whipping up' b) out of the context of this thread, since he's not interested in outright performance.

Instead of reading the individual sentences and responding as if they are each a seperate point (which they are not) why not read the entire post and attempt to understand what I'm actually saying?

Instead of criticising my style of argument, why don't you actually answer the points I've made?

Have a look at the benchmarks and I think you'll see the 1MB chips are quite a bit stronger clock for clock than the 512K ones.

It would be helpful if you could link to these benchmarks. Since you don't seem inclined to though, I will.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...on-2600_5.html

There you'll see that there's less than a 5% advantage in going from 512K L2 cache to 1MB in every benchmark except 3DMark01, where the advantage is 9%. That's on a S754 system where the lack of memory bandwidth should make it more sensitive to cache size.

but I let others decide for themselves rather than attacking his posts sentence for sentence. It's just not necessary and it's very weak when people do that.

Personally I think it's weak when people choose to complain about the way the argument is conducted rather than arguing about the relevant facts.

[StormPC]

He just doesn't get it...lol.

Give us some more, Rage buddy!

XBit??? Hardly an authority on A64's (or any other hardware for that matter).

[Rave]

Until you spout some more bollocks, I have nothing else to say.

[rajagra]

Until you spout some more , I have nothing else to say .

(Starts stopwatch...)

[Meiapaul]

XBit??? Hardly an authority on A64's (or any other hardware for that matter).

You may not like them, but its hard to get benchmarks wrong

[Agent]

Please keep it civil in future people, disagreements in opinions don’t need to lead to a war. Going to close this as the thread has run its course now.