New Rig tbh

[Merlin4458]

Ok, tis definatly time to upgrade (check my sig LOL!) Basically im torn between a SN25p shuttle and a regular tower. I jsut like the neatness of the shutlles but they could mean i get less for my budget.

So what im asking is if between you u could price put a Shuttle rig and a Tower rig, both for 900.

Thanks lads you

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3700BNBOX)

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard

GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 UltraX CAS2 (GLX1GB3200DC)

sus EAX800XL/2DTV ATI Radeon X800 XL 256MB DDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 120GB 6Y120MO SATA 8MB Cache - OEM
Coolermaster Cavalier 1 - Silver (No PSU) (

Enermax Noisetaker 600W EG701AX-VE(W) SFMA ATX2.0 SLI Compliant PSU

This is what im thinking... for the tower option



PS: Happy to overclock but only beginners;/ intermediate stuff

[ed^chigliak]

There isn't much in it price wise and quite often a SFF is cheaper depending on what case, PSU, heatsink & fans you go for in a desktop PC. Go desktop if you want to overclock some and if you enjoy choosing every component. Go SFF if you want semi-portable and a convenient build.

IMO you have a nicer system with a joe average overclocked desktop.

Are you talking just a base unit for £900 or the whole mashings ie monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers etc

[Merlin4458]

base unit, people tell me if u want to overclock get a tower . Could u recommend me what to buy if i went with a shuttle. and ur opinion on a shuttle

[StormPC]

The Shuttle will cost more (you pay a premium for portability) and will not overclock as well. I have both SFF PCs and towers and the bigger systems are much more powerful. One of the reasons is the limitations of SFF PSUs. Another is the lack of overclocking features in microATX motherboards.

If you can live with the size, a full-sized system will give much more bang for your buck.

One of my systems is almost exactly what you spec'd out. Use the 1.3 BIOS. It overclocks the best. I run my 3700+ 2830MHz 24/7 on air. Couldn't do that on any of the other BIOS's though.

Also, the X2's run fine on the Neo4 but the BIOS is an issue right now because they really don't have a release BIOS that fully supports the X2. I'm sure they will though. I'm running 1.6B1 Beta and it works but still doesn't overclock as well as 1.3.

[Merlin4458]

cheers strorm. I hope u know that u will be the first person i wil come to if i need help. Uve laid urself right in it by saying u have the same system . But thanks dude .have u got the same mobo aswell

[StormPC]

cheers strorm. I hope u know that u will be the first person i wil come to if i need help. Uve laid urself right in it by saying u have the same system . But thanks dude .have u got the same mobo aswell

Exactly. All of the BIOS's I referred to are for the Neo4 Platinum.

[pumpman]

but the SN25 does overclock like a monster but its down to what you prefer really size wise ask a few bods in hee what their sn25`s are like ive seen 2.9g on a shuttle think the guy comes in here too

correction , just checked the dude runs it at 2.8 @ 1.5v benched it at 2.95 though on a 3000 venice with stock cooling

[Merlin4458]

how easy is it to overclock a venice 3000, i mean could someone talk me through it?

[pumpman]

there plenty of peeps on here got one im sure they will be glad too , look for threads in here where people have asked advice on what equipment to get for overclocking it will help you choose the right gear
but to help you along the way
venice 3000
DFI NF4 mobo
pc3200 memory
once youve got the gear its fairly easy
hth

[Merlin4458]

cool, i jsut dont wanna buy a 3000 and then screw it up and not be able to send it bk, but if i can get 3700 speeds and save 150 quid then it must be done.. Storm why didnt u buy a 3000 and save ur green backs?

[StormPC]

You need a really good 3000+ to keep up with a 3700+ San Diego, and even if you match the MHz the San Diego will be much stronger because it has twice the cache. In many applications that's good as 200MHz. You're not running a 3000+ at 3GHz+ on air. Also, you are not likely to be able to overclock the 3000+ as high as the 3700+. Keep in mind that the 2830MHz is my 24/7 setting, not my max overclock.

[Merlin4458]

i think im going to get the 3700 cause i can afford it then i can overclock it further

[StormPC]

If you want your computer to last longer that's a good idea.