No AGP cards? Don't stand for it!

[krazy_olie]

My opinion is that anyone who is going to spend £350 on a gtx can a afford a new mobo otherwise I couldn't justify that price.

[Applecrusher]

My opinion is that anyone who is going to spend £350 on a gtx can a afford a new mobo otherwise I couldn't justify that price.

I beg to differ, im one of thoes people who slowly upgrade their computer piece by piece, my last upgrade was more ram..

Next I WAS hoping to start saving for a graphics card, but wadda ya know? To get any high end card, I need to upgrade my Mobo and CPU.. so instead of a graphics card, i have to get half a system..

[funnelhead]

Everyone with agp cards - take a deep breath...then buy one of these when you want to upgrade....

[funnelhead]

oh yeah

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...65&GroupID=538

[aidanjt]

meh, I got my 9600XT for about £100 2 years ago or so, It's still going strong, my next upgrade will be an x800XL AGP (maybe about christmas time, treat myself) and I imagine it'll do me another 2 years before I build a complete new rig.

[Applecrusher]

oh yeah

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...65&GroupID=538

Still requires a new processor and mobo doesnt it?

[funnelhead]

yeah, but if your in a position like me...a still reasonable Socket A.... You can upgrade your graphics to a 6800 AGP... and not worry that youll have to thro it away when you go AMD64..

I still agree with the original tenet of this thread though - even a 7800 gtx would run fine on an AGP bus.... so why not release one?? Because they are trying to force us to upgrade to their mobos as well....

They should be concentrating on making US happy, rather than wasting all their time trying to dupe us with x111930 GT / GTX / GTO / XT / XTO / SE / PRO / PE / XL

special timewasting editions.

[Decemoto]

It gets to a point when it's just not practical or reasonable to expect companies to support old formats and standards. Personally, I think it's lucky that the companies decided to produce the last generation of graphics cards on AGP, let alone this one as well.

Things move on, that's how it works. The graphics card companies aren't stupid, they'll offer cards on AGP for as long as there is a need for them. But is it sensible for them to produce their next generation £400 graphics card on AGP? Not really, no. Like someone said already, the people who are willing to spend that kind of money on a graphics card will probably not have an issue with upgrading their motherboard too.

There's also the issue of balance here. That kind of graphics card simply wouldn't be justifiable on an older system, because the rest of the system would be acting as a bottleneck on it, and it would be a complete waste of resources.

[xolotl]

If you can afford to get a 7800gtx then you should be able to afford a mobo thats 3 times cheaper.

If you can't then don't upgrade untill your in a situation where you can afford it.

[aidanjt]

It gets to a point when it's just not practical or reasonable to expect companies to support old formats and standards. Personally, I think it's lucky that the companies decided to produce the last generation of graphics cards on AGP, let alone this one as well.

Things move on, that's how it works. The graphics card companies aren't stupid, they'll offer cards on AGP for as long as there is a need for them. But is it sensible for them to produce their next generation £400 graphics card on AGP? Not really, no. Like someone said already, the people who are willing to spend that kind of money on a graphics card will probably not have an issue with upgrading their motherboard too.

There's also the issue of balance here. That kind of graphics card simply wouldn't be justifiable on an older system, because the rest of the system would be acting as a bottleneck on it, and it would be a complete waste of resources.

I think people's main issue here is with modern motherboards only supporting PCIe, so if you want a new motherboard and a srubbishrubbishrubbishrubbishy X2 CPU, you not only have to buy a new motherboard and CPU, but you'll also be forced to by a new graphics card as well, dumping their old and perfectly well performing AGP card. Also I have noticed that PCIe graphics cards tend to be significantly cheaper to their AGP eqivilent.

[directhex]

it's also worth pointing out that every person on this forum's wants and desires are irrelevant to card manufacturers - the percentage of the market you account for is statistical noise

and for the people who matter - the large OEMs like dell - PCIe isn't a burden, and is even cheaper for them on any modern cards which are designed to live on a PCIe bus.

[aidanjt]

unfortunatly true

[High Density]

The only real point i was trying to make here is that the next generation of cards could easily operate at the same level on AGP as PCIe and therefore there is not reason for upgrading except for the lack of manufacturer support (currently). We would not see any difference between the two, so we shouldn't really have to upgrade because there's no performance advantage.

[sawyen]

unfortunatly true

[aidanjt]

*gets worried*

[oralpain]

After some testing and experimenting I have determined that the biggest performance different from my old system to my current system comes from PCI-E. PCI-E dramatically increased the size and detail of videos I can record with FRAPS. It's a night and day difference with similarly performing CPUs and video cards.

Since I record quite a bit of video with FRAPS, this different is very important.