Gaming Rig Spec? Or should i not bother? :D

[bennett2kuk]

So because i;m a noob to the forums i'm obviously ignorant is that it?! The only reason I joined this forum recently was due to me getting my FIRST Mesh PC. I have read reviews recently and they compared my chip, the 5200 to other Intel chips they stated were similar in stature and price. I then gave my opinion on the subject based on their findings. Just because my opinions differ from yours doesn't make them wrong.
I must say I feel very welcomed here!

[harry1]

bennett2kuk's only a n00b to the forums. He either a) knows crap all about cpu developments in the last 6 months or b) is an AMD fanboy. Why would you buy an amd processor at the moment when you can have far more performance for the same price, with the option to upgrade to quad core in a few months.

Sorry for the rant, but he illustrates the problem with the net. People who think they know everything about something but actually know very little, stating it as fact. Apart from bennett, everyone elses comments have been very informed and constructive. But then maybe i know nothing about this and am stating my opinions as fact? Who knows but me lol

i would prefer to buy an amd. yes i am an amd fan boy. nothing wrong with that, also an nvidia fanboy. just because intel has an advantage at the moment doesnt make them the only option to go for, for 50 quid an opteron is great value as far as im concerned second hand ofc

[shaithis]

I then gave my opinion on the subject based on their findings. Just because my opinions differ from yours doesn't make them wrong.
I must say I feel very welcomed here!

Welcome to the forums.....what you need to remember is that there are a lot of technofreaks around here who keep very up-to-date and hate the spreading of mis-information.

You didn't really give an opinion but instead made a statement:

AMD is cheaper and side by side AMD is far superior. Perhaps not for encoding but as you are primarily gaming then AMD is the king.

That statement IS wrong. AMD cannot hold a candle to Intel anymore with the release of the Core 2 Duo range of CPUs, the tables have turned and Intel are even the cheaper of the 2 now (based on performance).

[greektony]

Bennet, have a read of this review and then maybe you'll understand the uproar your statement has made!!!

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2802&p=1

AMD 5200+ £269.06
Intel e6300 £125.36
e6400 £152.74
e6600 £211.32

All prices from www.scan.co.uk 17/10/06

I havent got time as i'm at work to read every page, but if i recall i dont think the 5000+ (the same as a 5200+ only with 2 x512kb L2 cache rather than 2x 1Mb cache found on the 5200+) beats a conroe 6600 in any benchmarks. An overclocked 6300 pretty much beats it as well. So for less than half the price you are getting better performance. And before you ask, it is well documented on the net how well these chips overclock. Google if you dont believe me.

So again I ask, why did you buy an AMD processor Don't take this beating personally...... view it as an initiation to the forum

[bennett2kuk]

Because A) I've had problems overclocking in the past. B) I've always had problems with Intel rigs and never had any problems with AMD. And C) Because my chip cost nowhere near that much.

[harry1]

Because A) I've had problems overclocking in the past. B) I've always had problems with Intel rigs and never had any problems with AMD. And C) Because my chip cost nowhere near that much.

thats good enough reason for me. one mans meat, another mans poision

[EtheAv8r]

Dear bennett2kuk

Core 2 Duo blows away AMD and that is simply a fact recognised by all reviwers and comparisons - it also wins any price/performance comparison and is getting great, and easier overclocks.

Believe me I have a house full of AMD systems, and I've built a fair number for friends, but my next system build this Christmas WILL be Core 2 Duo, there is no question.

My spec is remarkably similar to BltRdly's original post, but I will use Antec P180 case (possibly the new P190 need to see what it is like...) and a Seasonic M12-500 or 600 PSU, and 2GB RAM at the outset.

[FInalD]

I don't see why Bennett2kuk is getting such a slating. At the time of buying his computer the 5200+ would have been better than any Intel out there as AMD released the AM2s before Intel sent out the C2Ds.
This means that what he has said is fine, especially as he has said that to his knowledge the 5200+ is best, so he hasn't kept up to date with CPUs since he bought a new one, big deal. A lot of people I know are only in the loop about the 'current tech' when they are buying a new machine, once they have it they don't care and will only pop their heads in again a couple of years later to look when they upgrade.

I never can get why when someone tries to be helpful people slate them for it if they are not 100% correct at time of posting.

I personally bought an AM2 system with the full knowledge that C2D was out and much faster than AMD's 90nm chips. The reason being I don't like Intels and never have and AMD is on the 90nm dye and Intel is on the 65nm dye. When AMD go onto the 65nm I will be buying a chip and it will fit in the AM2 socket so I will have and instant upgraded and high performance pc on a (personally viewed) more stable manufacturer's platform.

***awates slating***

FinalD

[bennett2kuk]

Ta v much. You've pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. The last machine I had was an AMD 3200+. It was only until I was shopping around for my new PC that I started reading up on CPUs again.
At time of ordering the reviews were all suggesting AMD and having checked the reviews again I wouldn't exactly say Intel blows AMD out of the water.
Yes now I see that Core2 is superior but I doubt there would be any noticeable frame rate difference between a Core 2 & AM2 chip. And when I say noticeable I mean whether your eyes could percieve this difference, not figures given through 3d mark or whatever.
At the end of the day I have a 7950 GX 2 on order, but i'm sure there's someone who will argue that the ATI equivalent is better. And when DX10 is released that will be better as well. Thats called progression.

[kalniel]

I don't see why Bennett2kuk is getting such a slating.

Well if you see my response on the previous page it's hardly a slating

At the time of buying his computer the 5200+ would have been better than any Intel out there as AMD released the AM2s before Intel sent out the C2Ds.
This means that what he has said is fine, especially as he has said that to his knowledge the 5200+ is best, so he hasn't kept up to date with CPUs since he bought a new one, big deal. A lot of people I know are only in the loop about the 'current tech' when they are buying a new machine, once they have it they don't care and will only pop their heads in again a couple of years later to look when they upgrade.

Absolutely, which is why I pointed out that technology changes quickly and he should check out some recent reviews

I never can get why when someone tries to be helpful people slate them for it if they are not 100% correct at time of posting.

'People' is a bit of an over generalisation - one or two people posted unkindly, that's fine, they just make themselves look silly.

I personally bought an AM2 system with the full knowledge that C2D was out and much faster than AMD's 90nm chips. The reason being I don't like Intels and never have and AMD is on the 90nm dye and Intel is on the 65nm dye. When AMD go onto the 65nm I will be buying a chip and it will fit in the AM2 socket so I will have and instant upgraded and high performance pc on a (personally viewed) more stable manufacturer's platform.

That's a perfectly valid view point, though one that I don't share myself - I've alternated between Intel and AMD just about every purchase - they both get the job done and have been 100% reliable

I do appreciate the stability of the AM2 platform - AMD have been very good at requiring as few changes to the system as possible, whereas Intel seem to require new chipsets all the time. That said, I got stuck with an X2 and they immediately changed to AM2, so I got caught out with AMD on that one. Yeah ok, I could get an AM2 riser board and use AM2 for my motherboard, but I upgrade so rarely I'll probably just get a new motherboard/system when I do