Energy Fighting.....an interactive guide.

[mondogenerator]

I hate using those VVS planes for BnZ/energy fighting, they break up at such low speeds and there handling at 350+mph is terrible. I guess Im to used to playing with jugs...ooo err missus!

[Zak33]

but when you see that BF109 above you, you still fill the seat of the trusty Yak

how to combat it....

and IF you are up high...in your Lagg .....and you see someone below you.....do you dive (like I did on Sat night) AND rip off the aerilons and then the elevators

first you need to BE in an Energy Fighter to get it all to work.

and to make that decision innevitably means (unless its a SPit) you CANT play the turn and burn game really

[Zak33]

I hate using those VVS planes for BnZ/energy fighting, they break up at such low speeds and there handling at 350+mph is terrible. I guess Im to used to playing with jugs...ooo err missus!

this is a revelation, COS you are amidst the VVS elite here...people who clamour for LA5 and Yak9 and Lagg3....Hurricanes were the most popular means of transport for ages in here......and some people stil excel with them....Rias and Jenk^ both flew them with great courage and valour and frankly good results this weekend.

I, as always, am Jack of All Trades, and Master of None.

I feel very happy in a FW190 and therefore realy should get my arse into a P47 more....but to even SPOT a bad guy from one of those, when Im doing 500 kph at 7000 makes it hard

[Zak33]

and as for the Spitfire.....the ulitmate combo of stealth, small profile, high speed, awesome aerobatics and fierce hitting power....

dont make me do it

[Zak33]

found this today....from a flight instruction for a game called Air Warrior...it is reference the FW190 A8 but applies well in other cases too Its from a chap called Twist.

Twist's FW engagement list:
# 8K is "hard deck" - when forced below this, switch to egress tactics
# 2K alt advantage preferable over highest opponent, especially when alone
# Ideal firing pass speed is ~300kts
# Use shallow attack angles <20 degrees - don't dive in from straight above
# NEVER dive below opponents current alt
# Avoid fixation - scan after every pass, if new entry is higher threat than previous opponent, then ignore previous until new threat is dealt with

bear in mind he figures are in FEET....and I;-2 is in METERS...so divide by 3 for a rough guide. (ie 2700 metres is hard deck) and alt advantage of over 700 metres.

[Zak33]

Pyle.....while its appaling to look at, that is a very good high turn diagram.

S!

[mondogenerator]

Nice paint shop skills!

Zak, I think thats why people hate the Spit so much, its such an excellent plane in all respects and is so easy to fly and will fight at all altitudes well. Its just like what every real fighter pilot has ever said about it, its a bitch to land and take off but once in the air its a dream with perfect characteristics in most areas.

this is a revelation, COS you are amidst the VVS elite here...people who clamour for LA5 and Yak9 and Lagg3....Hurricanes were the most popular means of transport for ages in here......and some people stil excel with them....Rias and Jenk^ both flew them with great courage and valour and frankly good results this weekend.

Its just something about me and VVS planes...I really don't get on well with them. They break up and fall apart when going a bit quick, don't carry much ammo, have bad performance up high. If I have to fly VVS I try to take a P39N1 or lend lease UK or US plane. I've seen people use them well and the nose mounted guns I really like but....

[Zak33]

well.......Yak 9 perfection is my target in life....to be able to dust anyone in a Yak9 T or K is what I strive for.

Miles off at the mo...like my shooting

[Zak33]

right...back on topic.

To maintain E.

A good example of this seems to be LAG PURSUIT. This is where the attacking plane, when turning after a target, stays on his OUTTER and therefore LOWER curve. The attacking pilot, keeps his circle wider...and as he is maintaining a wider arc, he travels further. Now this is only effective IF he is carrying more ENERGY in the form of speed, which for this debate we are.

The distance travelled is farther, and because the turn is gentler, less speed is lost.

The other huge advantage is that you end upon the blind point of the target aircraft....below and behind...because both planes are banked over.

However, for both planes the speed still scrubs away.

What worries me the most on this kind of move is that the wings are not creating lift UPWARD...they are creating it towards the centre of the turn...ie the plane is not efficient.

DO I have that right? And if so...should the pursuer break away and climb ?

[Zak33]

that, dear chap is a High Yo Yo

[Zak33]

Does everyone else, reading this, understand where we are coming from?

To lose speed along the ground, and therefore turn tighter, we climb....scrubbing speed..until the plane turns slowly but tightly...and then drop back down again.

[jeNK^]

I'm still trying to get to grips with Prop. Pitch

Infact.. I'm still trying to work out which way is what :/

[Zak33]

oooh thats good....you're good at that Vector stuff, huh?

just edit it to have B in the right place in the text..you have 2 C's at the mo

nice one fella

[jeNK^]

I know what would be a good idea, but will be a fair bit more work - is to have video clips of these manuevers in action.

When I first started learning about these manuevers, the one thing that taught me most was the video clip DanglyBob posted (I think) of a low yoyo. Was a lot easier to understand

But the diagrams are very good

[Zak33]

I have films....but no where to host them all.

Jenk^...email me at

zak33@hexus.org

I'll email the good ones to ya

[Zak33]

Pyle...they are really good fella