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About LinkBacksDon't forget those two lenses will be able to use the in body stablisation. Thats a very useful feature!Originally Posted by dankellys
Don't forget those two lenses will be able to use the in body stablisation. Thats a very useful feature!
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OK, so i have done a lot more research today, and I now really can not decide what camera to go for. I have looked into the Nikon D3100, Canon EOS 1100D and Pentax K-r. Pro's and Cons of each (based on what I have read online):
PENTAX K-r:
PROS: Body + Two lenses for under £500, sensitive AF (9 cross type points), far better continuous shooting mode, VR built into body instead of lens, 6fps in Continuous shooting mode, least reflective and most clear LCD screen
CONS: Underexposure where contrasting subjects present, Less mainstream? Could be more difficult to find 2nd-hand equipment in future?
CANON EOS 1100D:
PROS: Image quality the best out of 3, best autofocus speed (fewest AF points, however)
CONS: Feels most plasticky of the three, continuous shooting the weakest of three models
NIKON D3100:
PROS: Ease of use (Guide mode good for beginners), edge-to-edge focusing in live view, largest buffer of the three to sustain burst shooting
CONS: Overexposure can be an issue for some scenes
I was almost certain that I was going to go for the Nikon D3100, until today when I have done a little more digging. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as I am really struggling to make up my mind.
The Pentax K mount has been around for decades, and considering the adaptors you can get for it,you have a massive lens choice when you include older lenses!!
There is this deal on the D5100:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...=hotukdeals-21
It is out of your budget by nearly £100 but the D5100 is a very nice camera,and the kit seems to be over £40 cheaper than other UK retailers.
dankellys (29-06-2012)
Too much research can cloud your judgement too
Narrow it down to 2 cameras, nominate heads or tails for each camera and toss a coin, when it lands on the camera you dont want, you will know it
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I'm wondering if we're on ignore or something?
The differences you mention are almost completely irrelevant. Try them all and choose the one you handle the best.
If you can't get to a shop that lets you, put in a request on talkphotography etc for a meetup and you might be able to get a wide range of cameras to try out.
If you honestly have no preference after trying them, go for the cheapest, or best looking, or toss a coin
Last edited by kalniel; 29-06-2012 at 09:16 AM.
I've had a DSLR for a good few years now (D80, upgraded to D90 when it came out). But only last week I went on a photography one day crash course. Found it very helpful and useful. I'd recommend it, just to get you into principals then how to use the camera properly. I'm now off the preset and auto modes!
People in photography generally still stick to the Canon or Nikon system. TBH the lens is where most of your money should go, as they are the longer term investment. Being a Nikon person, I'd say the 3100 but then again I have a bias. Have you gone into a camera shop and had a play?
Depends on what level of photography though. At the very high end market with digital medium format cameras,companies like Hasselblad are relatively common. Even Pentax has a medium format digital camera,the 40MP 645D(£8500+) and associated lenses -they have been in the medium format field for decades together with other companies like Mamiya,although Canon and Nikon with the cheaper higher MP bodies have been trying to attack this market for a while. For high end action and sports photography Canon and Nikon are relatively common,due to the presence of wide aperture telephoto zooms and primes which cost thousands of pounds(lenses like their 600MM/F4 are over £7000) and great low light bodies.
When it comes to biological imaging,companies like Olympus,Nikon,Leica and Zeiss are the companies people usually go for - Olympus I would say is the most common in many biological fields and this is due to the extremely modular design of their microscopes.
At the lower end of normal photography which most of us are involved in,it makes not much of any difference IMHO. All the companies have excellent camera bodies and a wide enough range of lenses.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 29-06-2012 at 10:30 AM.
Well, I have done i little more digging, and found on the pentax forums, that there seems to be a lot of controversial comments as to front focus problems and Pentax's slow reaction, or rather no reaction at all to fix the issue.
I have tried the Canon and Nikon in store and much preferred the feel of the Nikon. Now I just have to decide whether to go for the cheaper D3100, which I could afford to get sooner, or wait and save for the D5100 with 2 lenses as mentioned above...
You will find gear heads whinging on all forums,mate, including Nikon and Canon ones. Only some issues like the Fuji white orbs problem really have caused major problems.
Then you get people like our own kushtibari who get on with their picture taking:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_lj/
Have a look at his pictures. They were done using Pentax K-X(upto March 2011) and K5 dSLRs.
IMHO,the D5100 is the best of all the dSLRs you have looked(D3100,K-X and 1100D). The Sony 16MP sensor is shared in similar iterations with ones found in many other Nikon,Pentax and Sony dSLRs. The Nikon D7000 has a similar sensor for example. It is known by people for being a quite decent all-round sensor in a range of lighting conditions. The camera has a swivelable LCD too and the AF is meant to be quite decent for the class.The only thing I really don't like is the lack of in-body stabilisation,which means not all lenses will be stabilised(although the zooms you are looking at have it,so you should be fine) and in some cases you might need to pay extra to get lenses which have stabilisation built in,and cannot use the AF on older Nikon AF lenses(which might not be a concern for you).
I would say it is well worth the extra £100 over a D3100,and should be a good steed for your photographic needs for a few years!!
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 29-06-2012 at 11:37 AM.
What a load of horse crap.
Its a vauge bit of hand waving with no citations.
What kind of 'people' are these? Wedding photographers, I'd say not really, as most don't use full frame?
Glamour or fashion? Well then its Hasselblad or Pentax.
The other day I was up a mountain in Thailand this monastery had a brilliant view over the valley, I thought it would be interesting to see sun set, so I set up. Sadly I'd left all my cokin at home. Along comes another farang, and we're chatting he lives there and was able to help with a suggestion for my visa issues (a mistake was made at BKK, long story!) whilst we're chatting about this we're reminded its the rainy season. He was flabberghasted that I my only concern was my tripod.
He also remarked that why the shop had sold him something so fragile when he had told them he was travelling and living in Thailand for a bit. As Cat has mentioned Canon are funding a lot of stores on the high street.
Then we have useful idiots like you spouting the same nonsense.
It is worth saying that one of the better photographers who I've had the pleasure of talking to uses Sony, Tom Ang.
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Tom Ang has a wikipedia article about him it seems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Ang
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Wow, calm down dude with the slight aggressive venom. The guy is just starting out on photography, I based what I said on his choices which he wanted to the budget he had in mind. Sure the majority of photographers I come into contact with use Canon or Nikon, and no not just wedding either. I'll freely admit I am not a seasoned pro and am far from it. I am still learning stuff. Just trying to help someone out in making a decision, and really you spouting stuff like that isn't helping him either.
As for Sony, yes they are good cameras. I wouldn't mind taking one out for a test drive.
Cat had put a lot of effort in his posts and you say something which, lets be honest is completely un true. My spouting stuff, estentaully suggesting that this guy shouldn't buy anything other than a Nikon or Canon based on what, the fact you've not seen one?
I'm saying he should completely ignore your posts, and listen to Cat a bit!
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Thanks to everyone for all the replies. It has really helped me a lot, and I feel like I have learnt a lot from it. I am going to have a trip down to my local Jessops over the weekend and have a play with the D5100. If I like the look and feel, then I think I will hold out for this one.
I am going to Rome in August, and really wanted to have my dSLR by then, but its going to be a struggle to have the extra cash for the D5100 (and all of the other stuff I will need such as bag, memory cards and flash gun) by then.
I will be sure to let you know how I get on.
Thanks Again,
Dan
Last edited by dankellys; 29-06-2012 at 11:54 AM.
Yes Cat has put lots effort into helping him (go Cat!), and has whittled his dilemma down to a few choices. I just hope the OP can come to a decision soon so they can get out and start enjoying the camera.
It is a general statement I made, from my perspective, that's what most of the photographers I have seen use. Does it mean thats the be all and end all? No. As you have pointed out, from your perspective in coming into contact with others who use the likes of Sony, Pentax, Hasselblad, Leica or whatever.
I opted for Nikon as a mate has had them for years (going back to film) and I thought I could borrow his lenses if needed. Actually a point, OP do any of your mates own DSLRs and have any lenses you could borrow if you go on a shoot? Great way to try out kit before you invest and save up before you get other lenses.
thats how i choose my girlfriends
If you honestly have no preference after trying them, go for the cheapest, or best looking, or toss a coin
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