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    Advice on new pc

    Hello, I hope you can help.

    I have a 1999 Tiny PC, running on Windows 98. I recently cancelled my dial up internet at home and now want to take the plunge and buy a new PC. I am confused having searched on the web for advice etc for months now, I have information overload so simple advice very welcome. I do not have the courage (or knowledge) to build my own PC, so I need to buy from a reputable company online or offline. Advice, gratefully rec'd.

    I have a budget of £1,000 -£1200:

    I need a printer
    speakers
    cable broadband router

    I would like to do the following:
    latest machine to last a few years
    internet / internet radio
    download films/music- watch TV
    Write own CDs
    I think I'll go for Vista Home Premium (can they supply the full windows CD rather than just a recovery disk)

    Many thanks in advance.

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    Re: Advice on new pc

    If you are buying try scan or mesh 4 built systems.
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    Vicar, thanks for your reply.

    I have read elsewhere that MESH are poor (another reasons why so confused). If I went to Scan what would I be looking for PC wise?

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    Re: Advice on new pc

    PC Specialist are also very good, check them out as well: PCSPECIALIST.CO.UK - Custom PCs, Custom Computers, Custom PC, Custom Built Computers, Gaming PC

    You can build your own machine or order one of their pre-specced systems.

    (Review of a PC Spec custom machine here if you're interested: PC Specialist Custom Intel PC review - IT Reviews)

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    I bought my first PC from PCspecialist many moons ago, they are good guys, my PC was solid for years.
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    Thanks trect and format for your the advice.

    I have used this site twice and both times came up with quotes for PCs that cost several times more than my budget! I guess my problem is is that I just don't know if I what I choose is OK or over the top for my needs. I might give it a try again.

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    Re: Advice on new pc

    Found this on Amazon.co.uk, is this OK for my requirements? I'd need to buy a new monitor and printer etc.

    Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo Pi 2533 Desktop - Core 2 Duo E4500 2GB 250GB

    * Intel Core 2 Duo E4500; 2048MB DDR2 RAM
    * 250GB hard drive; 11 in 1 Card Reader
    * DVDRW -Dual Layer; nVidia GeForce 8400GS 256MB
    * 10/100/1000 Ethernet, USB Ports; USB Keyboard & Mouse
    * Microsoft Works; Microsoft Windows Vista Premium; 12 Months C&R Warranty

    £379 inc VAT + delivery

    Thanks for your views.
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    HI there and welcome to Hexus.
    You've said very clearly
    I do not have the courage (or knowledge) to build my own PC
    however there may be some merit in buying a base unit (ie the boxy desktop bit) seperate to the other bits. Sometimes it is worth it, sometimes not, but it gives us options.

    All in all, here is my advice for what it's worth:

    Computers have come on in leaps and bounds so much since your last one, the truth is that for your needs nearly any modern computer will do the job, from £300 up to £2000, although that's not to say that they are all as good as one another.

    The other general truism with computers (like cars) is that they all devalue over time, and the more you spend the more you lose. The desktop boxes however (which contain all the really interesting technology) lose their value quicker than the surrounding peripherals (such as speakers, monitor, keyboard & mouse etc).

    The Fujitsu Siemens desktop you listed above generally looks good, certainly will feel & work fast enough and will last for a few years.
    Different shops will give you a different service - somewhere like Dabs (which i think is perfectly fine) will give you a cheap machine with relatively little aftermarket help.
    With Dell (which only sell their own brand but that's fine) you can chose the level of aftermarket support.
    Someone like Scan in all honesty isnt going to give you the fastest machine for the money, but you'll get really good aftermarket support.

    You obviously dont need anything to do with gaming so be wary of anyone who advises you to buy a machine with a great gaming graphics card to "use with Vista" or to "play solitaire".
    As an example i just looked up Dell's Inspiron range.
    You could get a E8200 processor (2.6Ghz, 6Mb cache) plus 3 Gig RAM, a 500Gig hard drive plus a 22" widescreen monitor for £579 including a 1 year return to base warranty.
    Changing the warranty to a 4 year cover ("inc evenings and saturdays") adds only £70, which in your case may be well worth it.

    I'm not saying that Dell are absolutely the best, but i think that they are a fine starting point in this situation.
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    MSIC many thanks for the welcome and the excellent advice.

    You are absolutely right I wouldn't buy the Fujitsu Siemen on its own, rather it was an example of the type of PCs I've seen online from many different retailers, and as a consequence I've been confused into a standstill by the choice!

    I will look at Dell Dabs and Scan etc. I guess I have been looking at things that are too big for my needs. I must say being without the internet at home for a week now, and I am climbing the walls. Got to buy this thing soon.

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    Re: Advice on new pc

    You are aware of course that to get back on the internet you will need the following:
    A computer (of course).
    A router (please ask if you need help with choice)
    An Internet Service Provider ("I.S.P." such as Virgin, BT, Tiscali etc).

    The ISP is worth spending a little time investigating, and feel free to ask questions here, to get people's ideas. Some will give you better value than others, some will give better reliability or customer service, and others might give you better add-ons (such as a free wireless router).

    By the way, have you considered a laptop for your needs?
    In truth, if you are going to spend more than 1/2 an hour per night on it then from a posture and useability point of view a desktop may be better, but laptops are perfectly cheap, powerful enough and reliable etc to do the job. Just dont spend hours and hours on one squinting at & hunched over the smaller screen
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    Best option would be to build it! But seeing that you can't there's lots of dell deals on pc's. as for router, it depends on what ISP you are with. whereabouts are you based? if you can try and get Be*/o2 or if you have sky tv get sky broadband. i don't think you'd need to spend your full budget for this pc to last long. if you can run that 1999 tiny pc for 9 years you can certainly run a c2d based one for quite some time for half of your budget I think.

    You'd get best value if you got it built by a friend or someone near you though.

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    Processor (CPU)
    AMD ATHLON™ 64 X2 4200+ (2.2GHz) 2 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2)
    Memory (RAM)
    4GB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)
    Motherboard
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    Memory - 1st Hard Disk
    500GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)
    2nd Hard Disk
    NONE
    RAID (HDD 1 & 2)
    NONE
    1st CD/DVD Drive
    20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM
    2nd CD/DVD Drive
    NONE
    Graphics Card
    256MB RADEON HD 2400 PRO PCI Express + DVI
    2nd Graphics Card
    NONE
    Sound Card
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    Modem
    NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND
    Network Facilities
    ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
    Floppy Disk Drive
    NONE
    Memory Card Reader
    NONE
    Case
    Micro-ATX Silver/Black Sigma MX case + 2 front USB
    Power Supply & Case Cooling
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    TV Card
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    Monitor
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    2nd Monitor
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    DVI Cable
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    Keyboard & Mouse
    Logitech® Internet Keyboard + Hotkeys (Black) (£6)
    Mouse
    Black Logitech® Premium Optical Mouse (£4)
    Speakers
    LOGITECH S220 2.1 SILVER/BLACK SPEAKER SYSTEM (£12)
    Printer
    HP PHOTOSMART C4280 ALL-IN-ONE SERIES (£55)
    Surge Protection
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    Webcam & VoIP
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    Office Software
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    All that comes to £748 inc vat and delivery form pc specialist.
    considering what you intend on using the machine for that should last you a few years at least
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    Re: Advice on new pc

    better get a wolfdale cpu/system.

    I specced this

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    Intel® Core™2 Duo E8300 (2 X 2.83GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

    Memory (RAM)


    4GB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)

    Motherboard


    ASUS® P5N-MX: DDR2, S-ATA II, 1 x PCI-E x16, 2 PCI, etc

    Operating System


    64 BIT WINDOWS® VISTA HOME PREM SP1 (inc CD & Licence) (£55)

    USB Options


    6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

    Memory - 1st Hard Disk


    500GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

    2nd Hard Disk


    NONE

    RAID (HDD 1 & 2)


    NONE

    1st CD/DVD Drive


    20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

    2nd CD/DVD Drive


    NONE

    Graphics Card


    Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7050 CineFX 3.0 Graphics

    2nd Graphics Card


    NONE

    Sound Card


    6 Channel SoundMAX High Definition Audio (Standard on P5VD2-VM)

    Modem


    NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

    Network Facilities


    ONBOARD 10/100 LAN PORT

    Floppy Disk Drive


    NONE

    Memory Card Reader


    INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc)

    Case


    Micro-ATX Silver/Black Sigma MX case + 2 front USB

    Power Supply & Case Cooling


    STANDARD 350W (Peak) Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan

    Processor Cooling


    SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£14)

    Firewire & Video Editing


    NONE

    TV Card


    NONE

    Monitor


    22 Inch Wide TFT Silver/Black 1680 x1050 5MS D-Sub, DVI (£145)

    2nd Monitor


    NONE

    DVI Cable


    NONE

    Keyboard & Mouse


    Logitech® Internet Keyboard + Hotkeys (Black) (£6)

    Mouse


    Black Logitech® Premium Optical Mouse (£4)

    Speakers


    LOGITECH S220 2.1 SILVER/BLACK SPEAKER SYSTEM (£12)

    Printer


    HP PHOTOSMART C4280 ALL-IN-ONE SERIES (£55)

    Surge Protection


    Belkin 4 Socket 2M Surge Protector with £25,000 Protection! (£7)

    Webcam & VoIP


    NONE

    Media Center Kit


    NONE

    Anti-Virus


    NONE

    Office Software


    NONE

    External Hard Drive


    NONE

    Warranty


    2 Year Return-to-Base incl 2 Years Free Collect & Return: £69

    Delivery


    Standard Insured Delivery to UK Mainland (Mon-Fri 8am-6pm)

    Quantity


    1


    £640.00 ex VAT.

    £752 inc VAT and Delivery.

    £4 more but way more powerful and will last you longer, on board graphics but I don't see how it will limit you in any way unless you are looking to play games.

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