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[Russ]

this is more of a rant than anything... but who agrees.

what sort of people live in this country when the bleeding vote for govermant is down to 1 simple thnig...

Canabis...

the people on these forums who'd put any1 into power just to get the drug regraded is amazing! think about it chaps...

[Swafe]

i take it your ranting about me

well tbh - i dont see the point in voting myself - they would do similar things, they dont really affect me, such as labour spending more on education, im sure the tories would too just to get votes, tbh whatever they do doesnt really seem to effect me, the fact that the law does effect me, then ill take action.

im not fussed either way to be fair, if it wasnt down to it i wouldnt vote at all, the fact the tories said what they did, ive vote the other way just on that one point for the mere fact nothing else they do will affect me, its a harmless drug, it dont need to be class b...

[Slick]

I agree Russ.... if it was legalised, it won't be done for the good of the country, just used as a selfish political move to gain votes and get in power *coughlibdemscough*

[G4Z]

tbh this move has been a long time coming, drug classifications have allways seemed a bit off to me, how can you say cannabis is class b alongside speed? anyone with any experiance will tell you that speed is a far far far more powerful drug and can leave you without sleep for days sometimes... I would say speed is probably a worse drug than E and I just cant see how Ecstacy can be class A and speed class B when in all my experience I have had nothing but good times with pills and several bad ones with speed (usually trying to sleep or shag afterwards... nightmare). I think classifcation is basicaly bollocks and that it is only about how "socially" damaging (and by this I mean encourage people to think the government is actually lying to them about drugs, what else would they lie about? cough *iraq* cough) it is rather than going on any scientific basis after all if we did that alcohol woulkd be class A wouldnt it?

[DaBeeeenster]

The Libdems have always had a policy of an official enquiry into the declassification of cannabis. You can think it's done purely for votes and that they wouldn't go through with it if they got into power but I dont think that's the case. I think they honestly believe that it could be reclassified if sufficient evidence was provided.

[Russ]

the main point is, its not an important issue,
swafe, better education does affect you, not directly, but maybe your kids?
gaz, we lie'd about iraq? ok, saddam - evil - needed to be stopped - we stopped him.

also once more for the love off mother russia

CANABIS _IS_ DANGEROUS AS IT DESTOYS BRAIN CELLS < ok, read several times if this is unclear>

[DaBeeeenster]

We were still lied to about Iraq Russ. You can post-rationalise like that all you like but the fact remains.

[ACiD303]

I dont think the cannabis regrading issue is or should be an issue at all when considering your vote - I mean, is it really going to stop you doing it if you already do, and if you dont are you going to take it up if it does get regraded?

It's like opening a can of worms, why not classify or declassify the whole flippin lot - ciggies, alcohol. . . hell, why not make it so you need a license to buy solvent glue They all damage your health in one way or another, it doesn't stop anything.

[Swafe]

yeah russ, it is a dangerous drug, but no where near as it should be, as someone said class B has speed in, compare cannibis to speed? cannibis has never killed anyone, then with speed u always hear about ppl overdosing. its more in line with class C, which are lesson drugs like steroids IMO - so why are they even thinkin of making it class B again ??

and yeah, education does effect me, i go to college, and soon uni, so what they say does effect me, but im not too bothered, as long as i get a degree ill be happy, they can do whatever they want

[G4Z]

Russ, tbh mate your reply smacks of naievety (sp? - I am really st0ned...), how anybody can belive that we did a good thing there in Iraq is beyond me, unless that is they dont realise what actually went on there. We went to iraq, and toppled saddam hussain and in the process of doing this killed thousands of people and destroyed any infrastructre left after GW 1. we have left that country in a terrible state and every day there are attacks on our forces, doesnt sound like a war that has been won to me. I am not going to even go into the lying because its blatantly obvious that tony blair lied. He lied about giving teh go ahead to naming Dr kelly and he lied about our reason for going to war (the reason actually didnt have much to do with saddam hussain or freeing teh iraqi people, it was about WMD wasnt it)..

He could legalise drugs write off my student loan and make me exempt from tax forever, and I still dont think id vote for him.


as for classification, if you havent tried it or if your not a doctor then you cant really comment on weather one drug is more damaging or more dangerous than another because you just dont know! take it from some1 who knows, speed is class B and it makes you feel worse and is more addctive and dangerouse than cannabis, E and cocaine yet coke and E are class A and weed is class B does this make sense to you. I am sure there are ppl on these boards that can back up what I am saying here, there must be a doctor in the house... or at a push a druggie!

[G4Z]

also once more for the love off mother russia

CANABIS _IS_ DANGEROUS AS IT DESTOYS BRAIN CELLS < ok, read several times if this is unclear>

forgot to comment on this.....


ALCOHOL _IS_ DANGEROUS AS IT DESTOYS BRAIN CELLS < ok, read several times if this is unclear>

[Russ]

forgot to comment on this.....


ALCOHOL _IS_ DANGEROUS AS IT DESTOYS BRAIN CELLS < ok, read several times if this is unclear>

i dont drink really... a pint a fortnight...

yes, he did goto iraq to remove the WMD, but thats a good thing (they kill lots of people).

my mom works for the mental health side of the NHS. when she was based at the hospital, you'd see old jamaican men, who would honestly say, they have schaizophrenea(sp?) now due to smoking canabis all there life..

how many old people are schizophrenic due to alcohol related events?

one more thing, just cos you've spent day after day off ur face, dont make u an expert, and how you can class your opinions of drugs to that of a doctor is a bit.. daft.

[G4Z]

Russ, I dont drink much either but there are plenty of people who do, and there are a LOT of alcoholics (i.e : drug addicts).

removing WMD may be a good thing, but there was a lot of conjecture about whether or not he had any at all in the run up to the war and it now appears even to the layman that there never were any. there is also incresing evidence that our government actually empahsised some more unreliable intelligence to support the war and held back anything that damaged the case for war.

I have heard loads of rubbish about this mental heath thing and maybe if you smoke all day every day for the rest of your life your gonna end up with health problems, but most users are not like this, to end up spending all your time doing that your life would have to be in a shabby state of affairs anyway wouldnt you say? couldnt this contribute or be caused by at least in part by a pre-disposition to mental health problems?

also, there are probably figures on how many people get old with alcohol related liver problems, a fair few more than have gone schitzo from weed I would bet.

I also wouldnt say I have spent day after day off my face (well maybe on a couple of occassions... hehe) but I have a lot of experience and have read a lot of stuff relating to it, so who are you to say i know nothing about it? I am not compareing myself to a doctor, but I do have some understanding of exactly how it all works, I have 2 freinds who are actually junior doctors and I have been out with them and done all sorts, they know what they are talking about and I have seen them as wrecked as anyone. they have explained some stuff to me and I have read a lot on the internet and I feel that I am in a position to give an educated opinion.


russ, mate I am really not getting at you, I am just really inclined to think you are a bit naive because a lot of your opinions really smack of the government "party political line" carp that we see trotted out so often on TV today. your right to question me, but you should also question some of these things your see on TV and in the sun.

[Russ]

never read the sun, i buy it for cheap loo roll

i agree, the liver problems and alcohol is gonna be way higher than the weed, schizo.

my aunty died an alcoholic at sumthin stupid like 34, so yes its dangerous, but not as mentally dangerous, ive always said, that if somebody wants to smoke "da erb" all there life, thats fine, aslong as its not expected of me. but the "im voting for lib dems cos there gonna leaglise weed" opinion, is stupid, which i think you'll agree. it wouldnt be sensible to legalise it, thered be too much uproar :/

[Alex]

Does a politicians stance on drugs really affect anyones vote here? After all, thats what this thread was about in the first place isnt it? And whether cannabis is class B or C, its still illegal, reclassification is not the same as legalisation.

And the problem with the figures is that you just can't quantify how many problems are to do with drugs, as you can't at the same time say "cannabis is illegal" and also ask people who regularly use it to come forward for proper scientific testing. As to whether knowing a drug is dangerous or not actually makes a difference is a completely different matter though. Im a medical student, and we really get it drummed into us how much smoking and drinking is bad for you (its probably actually if anything worse than the adverts make out) but still almost everyone I know on my course regularly gets absolutely smashed and smokes.

My personal opinion on it (should anyone care) is that cannabis should first be legalised under strict control, and whoever is using it (legally) should be part of a test program to see what its effects really are. If its no worse than smoking or drinking (which I think it probably is) then it should be legalised. People have the right to kill themselves with alcohol and cigarettes, why shouldnt they be allowed the right to choose to do the same with cannabis?

As for the government, I think they'd probably more interested in the tax they could put on it than the votes they would gain from it...

[G4Z]

well, like I said, I wouldnt vote for TB whatever he did so his stance on drugs is really not gonna get my vote, I know what your saying but then people voted labour to start with for no better reason than to get rid of the tories, banning fox hunting and changing licensing laws (still not happening). thats the way it is allways gonna be when it basicaly comes down to having no choice.

I will vote lib dem and hope they make good on their promises and principals should they ever get in power, if they dont I think that will be my faith in democracy shattered.

there would be uproar, but i think the uproar is all because of ignorance. the government has been playing the anti drug record for so long that people automaticaly assume its bad no matter what it is, and that is what has caused people to make a distinction with alcohol and any other drug when there basically isnt one.