animal testing

[Sair33]

I think animals have as much a right to a happy life as we do and would therefore love to say NO!
BUT... (with my limited knowledge on the subject) as many people have already said, I think that unfortunately testing on animals IS necessary in certain areas.
The world would be a very different place without it. As long as we maintain some form of control over it (ie licences etc) and it is performed with minimum cruelty.
I'd say no to testing on cosmetics etc.... but then again, what if a cosmetic is released that then causes cancer and thousands of people die who wouldn't have done otherwise, when a minimal amount of testing on an animal would have saved them...? really not sure what I think about that....

[[GSV]Trig]

as for the idiot who said we should test on prisoners it is more a reflection on your own babarism than anythingelse... more to follow after i get some grub.

Finished eatting yet?

[lynni]

Finished eatting yet?

lol was wondering the same

[DaBeeeenster]

No, if your going to test something for use on humans why test it on a pig?
Testing it on humans will give you proper results that testing on a pig wont....

Do you think prisoners leaving prison with, for example, severe mental health problems due to drug testing, is a positive thing for society in general?

I suppose it depends on whether you think prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation, and everything to do with punishment.

[floppybootstomp]

Medical: Yes. Cosmetics: No. Prisoners: No.

[[GSV]Trig]

Do you think prisoners leaving prison with, for example, severe mental health problems due to drug testing, is a positive thing for society in general?

I suppose it depends on whether you think prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation, and everything to do with punishment.

I'm on about the kind of people that arent leaving, the kind of people that shouldnt be in society...

Spending 25 years in the prison system with a roof over your head, 3 meals aday and all the rest of it isnt what I'd call paying the debt to society, especially when theres homeless out there that have done nothing wrong dont get anything like that...

[DaBeeeenster]

You have not answered the question. Please answer the question. "People that aren't leaving"? Unless under extremely exceptional circumstances, no sentences in the British legal system are truly "you are never getting out".

Again, please answer the question.

[floppybootstomp]

[GSV]Trig: Methinks you just don't get it, prison isn't all about being fed, it's about losing your freedom. Even the homeless have that. Being unable to make a choice day to day is the worst possible punishment one human being can inflict upon another, in my point of view.

[[GSV]Trig]

You have not answered the question. Please answer the question. "People that aren't leaving"? Unless under extremely exceptional circumstances, no sentences in the British legal system are truly "you are never getting out".

Again, please answer the question.

People with multiple consecutive sentences, you know the kind of people that are say 30 and get 4 consecutive life sentences, meaning that if they lived to be 120 they mite get out.... That kind of thing...

[lynni]

GSVtrig u need to use examples, Ian brady is never gettting out, Maxine carr? i doubt it, Ian Huntly never! who else is there serving mutliple sentences?

Those people lost their rights to be human when they commited the crimes that they did, therefore i wholly support what trig is saying and can understand where hes comeing from....

Petty crime criminals, should be put into rehab, yes i agree with that... but whats the point with serious offenders? the way i see it, the damage was done waaaaaaaay before they commited those crimes (child abuse etc) and have possibly reached a point of no return

[DaBeeeenster]

People with multiple consecutive sentences, you know the kind of people that are say 30 and get 4 consecutive life sentences, meaning that if they lived to be 120 they mite get out.... That kind of thing...

That almost never happens.

Ian Huntley will probably see freedom in his lifetime i would have thought; if he lives to an old age I'm pretty certain he will.

Tbh I find your idea somewhat absurd. Do you comprehend human rights?

[Skii]

As much as I agree to a point, the minute we start treating a human being with no rights whatsoever - effectively lowering their stature to that of a scientific gineau pig, we are going down a very nasty road.

This is after all what Nazi Doctors did, mass murderers and criminals were used in scientific experiments, tolerance to extreme G-forces and pressurisation where eyes would depart from skulls, vivisection, etc.

The moment we start treating criminals with the same barbarism that they treated their victims is the moment our society breaks down.

[DaBeeeenster]

Well said mate.

[petrefax]

People with multiple consecutive sentences, you know the kind of people that are say 30 and get 4 consecutive life sentences, meaning that if they lived to be 120 they mite get out.... That kind of thing...

what, you mean like the guilford four for example? sentenced to life, they served 14 years until eventually cleared of all charges, what if they'd undergone forced medical testing during this 14 years

this is but one example....recent british history is littered with similar cases

[DaBeeeenster]

what, you mean like the guilford four for example? sentenced to life, they served 14 years until eventually cleared of all charges, what if they'd undergone forced medical testing during this 14 years

this is but one example....recent british history is littered with similar cases

Hmmm. I'd like to see the medical negligence case for that!

[[GSV]Trig]

I do understand human rights, but human rights and political correctness have gone well OTT IMHO...

If you do something bad then you should loose certain rights, like that farmer bloke that shot that bloke that had broken into his property..

Oh, and for the record, I didnt say forced experimentation, they should have the choice and there should be some form of compensation, but as I said sitting rockin in a cell for 15 years or whatever doesnt count as paying your debt to society....