Medics question Huttons suicide

[G4Z]

Well, I have just seen on the news today the paramedics who attended the scene of David Kelly's suicide say they think its unlikely he died from the wound they saw.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4089729.stm

Well, I allways thought it was a little convinent that he commited suicide and now the police are refusing to investigate further and that also seems convinent for the government.

Comments?

[nichomach]

The item goes on to note:

But Dr Bob Van Hegan, a consultant pathologist, disagrees with the paramedics' assessment.

He told Sky News that in addition to the wrist wound there were three further factors which could have contributed to the scientist's death.

Dr Van Hegan pointed out that Dr Kelly's coronary arteries were in a poor condition, he suffered from a vascular disease and he had taken an opiate drug.

Tom Mangold, a former BBC journalist and friend of Dr Kelly, said: "The fact that the paramedics did not find sufficient blood does not mean that it was not spilt.

"Although I am sure they are speaking in good faith there is no doubt in my mind, or anyone else connected with the case, that David committed suicide."

[G4Z]

Well, I did read it and I am not dismissing it as I dont know enough to form my own opinion. I would be interested to hear from a medical professional and see what they make of it.

I dont think that the paramedics observations should be dismissed though and I would also be interested to find out if they had any input into the inquiry. I may take a look later and see if I can find out.

[G4Z]

Just found this, Im halfway through reading it now and its quite interesting.

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/MediumRare/31.htm

[G4Z]

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/MediumRare/36.htm

again, very interesting

[chriscom]

I read it and find it interesting too.

what I also find interesting is the position of those who have questioned the war and those who were for the war.

The war was based on a so called threat that has turned out to be false, yet no-one has been held to account for this, despite the fact that thousands of people have been killed.

On the other hand, those who were publicy against the war and in a position to be noticed have in one way or another been silenced.
Kelly said to have committed suicide,
Morgan printed fake photos and was sacked
Galloway just won a libel case against the telegraph who claimed he was friends with Saddam and received gifts, took money etc.
Head of the BBC sacked.

Perhaps there is nothing in it, but it really raises questions seeing as all these vocally expressed opposition to the war and all these were in a position where their opinion carried weight.

[menthel]

You don't need to lose that much blood with other such factors, ie the opiate od to die. His heart disease would have made that worse as well. They may not have seen the blood because he was found in woodland and its difficult to see blood in those kinds of places. Also arterial blood goes a long way. And paramedics are not trained pathologists.

[G4Z]

"Several medical experts have come forward to challenge that finding. In a letter released to the media, three medical professionals, Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgeon David Halpin, Dr. Stephen Frost in Sweden who is a specialist in diagnostic radiology, and a retired anaethesiologist in South Africa, maintained that a completely severed artery would almost immediately retract and limit the bleeding while promoting clotting. They said they dispute that Dr. Kelly could have died from the bleeding.

Support came for that position Wednesday from Dr. Don MacKenchnie who is head of accident and emergency at Rochdale infirmary and chair of the British Medical Association?s accident and emergency medicine committee.

In a letter to the Daily Telegraph yesterday, Dr. A. Peter Fletcher of Halstead, Essex (a retired pathologist) derided Hunt?s finding based on the blood evidence described in the hearings. He said about five pints of blood would have to have been lost to cause death. ?Anybody who has seen five pints of blood spurted forcefully out of a severed artery will know that there is one hell of a mess.? He concludes that, ?Either Kelly did not die of blood loss or it occurred at some place distant from where the body was found.?"

in the above link.