Upgrade Time, i5 3570k to 3700x

[Percy1983]

So firstly my system is is used for photo/video editing with some gaming. Will be in a month or so.

So current Spec (Green planned to take into next build)
3570k at 4.4ghz
16gb 1866mhz ram
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Board
Cooler Master Nepton 140XL
256GB Samsung 850 EVO boot
2 x 2TB raid0 HDs + 64GB Crucial m4 cache IRST (Storage of complete jobs plus games etc)
2 x 2TB raid0 HDs + Current work
RX580 8GB
Themaltake 875w psu
Themaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Case

New Planned Spec (green new)
3700x
64GB 3200mhz ram
Aorus X570 AORUS Elite Board
500gb nvme boot (Silicon Power or Corsair)
2 x 2TB raid0 HDs + 250GB nvme (Silicon Power) tiered storage (Storage of complete jobs plus games etc)
2 x 2TB raid0 HDs Current work
RX580 8GB
Themaltake 875w psu
Themaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition Case

Seem a decent idea? I will add I know the risks of raid 0 and have full backups of everything important.

You can see I like/need a lot of storage at reasonable speeds so I am not considering 8TB in SSDs for the time being and keeping the good old spinners, with acceleration where it helps.

Getting a bit worried with ram prices, with reports saying they will go both ways, I don't have the money for the full system yet but would it be wise to buy now (£326.39) and potentially over pay, but potentially save myself money if prices start rising?

[Hoonigan]

I see no problem with that build other than the 64GB of RAM. Might it be better to buy 32GB unless you have a genuine use for that additional memory?

Also, with the CPU cooler. Have you managed to source an AM4 bracket for that?

[Percy1983]

In many respects 64GB is over spec but like my current system I plan to run for a long time, when I built this 4gb was standard and 8Gb was a lot, now I am often above 12gb usage, so I am thinking 5-7 years ahead and photo/video editing eats ram for fun.

Seems there is mixed results with ram with 4 slots in use but it does seems I should manage 3000mhz (buying 32000mhz) and of course there is probably more bios updates to come. Did think if it goes badly I could pull 2 sticks for a later date/update (or sell at worst).

I do have the AM4 bracket, got it when the first ryzens came out and then looked at ram prices and decided to hold off upgrading until now.

[kalniel]

You could go 2x the new 32GB sticks in that case? A bit slower, but shouldn't be a significant hit.

[DanceswithUnix]

You could go 2x the new 32GB sticks in that case? A bit slower, but shouldn't be a significant hit.

Would be worth checking with the motherboard manual, but I thought 3200 sort of speeds only worked with one dimm per channel not fully populated?

[adidan]

Would be worth checking with the motherboard manual, but I thought 3200 sort of speeds only worked with one dimm per channel not fully populated?

Was going to say, check the mobo - some are fussy about speeds when fully populated.

[kalniel]

Would be worth checking with the motherboard manual, but I thought 3200 sort of speeds only worked with one dimm per channel not fully populated?

OP says he's going for 4x16@3000 (using 3200 sticks). I'm suggesting going for 2x 32gb 2666mhz or so, to allow for future expansion, which will still be a bit slower than the 3000 suggested.

[Percy1983]

Looking at the QVL list here: https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherbo...rt#support-doc

Says the ram I am looking at CMK64GX4M4B3200C16 is 3200 with 4 dimms and xmp, native 2133.

Am I right in thinking he native figure is how it will boot if you don't change anything but the speed listed is possible.

Does have the small print depends on cpu support which I guess means not on a 2xxx or 1xxx ryzen.

[DanceswithUnix]

OP says he's going for 4x16@3000 (using 3200 sticks). I'm suggesting going for 2x 32gb 2666mhz or so, to allow for future expansion, which will still be a bit slower than the 3000 suggested.

At 2666MHz I wonder if ECC would be worth looking into. Last I looked the problem was getting small amounts like 16GB at a decent value.

[Percy1983]

ECC is is thought, seems I can get 2666 32x2 EEC for less money but it is CL19 (trade off for ecc), this would of course leave it open to 128gb at a later date.

[kalniel]

Am I right in thinking he native figure is how it will boot if you don't change anything but the speed listed is possible.

Native will be the jedec supported profile, ie a pre-loaded profile that's embedded in the ram that your motherboard can use to set all the speeds/timings/voltages etc. and know that it works out of the box. Of course, you can then set a different speed yourself, or there might be an extended (non-jedec) profile such as XMP that your motherboard can use.

The listed speed/timings are what the RAM is capable of (in the right motherboard/CPU etc.) but there's not necessarily a profile to automatically do it for you (though there probably is an XMP one).

[Percy1983]

Seems for x570 it seems above 3200 is overclocking and below is just supported. Apparently people have got the ram kit mentioned at 3200 with a 2700x.

I am not afraid of messing in the bios so will give it a go.

Now to overclock or not, it seems generally there isn't much headroom to overclock and its generally slightly lower all core vs higher boosts, depending which benchmark you use the results vary. Past that my cooler is rather good so it should allow boosting to work well.

Anybody have any input on the board? seems a few down from the top board (in gigabyte terms) but the key elements are intact, mostly thinking VRM setups for the money.

[DanceswithUnix]

Overclocking? TLDR: I would spend more effort on case & cpu fan profiles than actual overclocking.

From the graphs on Gamers Nexus reviews, overclocking the CPU doesn't seem worth it. The chip does a pretty good job itself.

My 3700X is supposed to have a base clock of 3.6GHz, but in reality I have yet to see it drop below 3.9GHz on all cores during a heavy compile job. Single threaded bits like linking it never hits the full 4.4GHz boost (about 4.3GHz) but then there will always be other things going on so it won't really be single core. I am on the box cooler atm, it works OK but if I run two compiles one after the other there is some heat soak so I can see the clocks are a smidge lower (in this hot weather at least, ambient is 30C in this room recently). It also makes a bit of a whooshing noise when compiling or gaming.

Individual core clocks taken from Linux command line: grep GHz < /proc/cpuinfo

[Percy1983]

Thats goes with my thinking, my current fan profiles let it get noisy which doesn't both me so will probably try an aggressive fan profile and see how it effects boost. I guess its overclocking with fan profiles. The Nepton 140XL cools very well if you don't mind a little noise.

Ordered 4x16gb 3200mhz ram kit (price gone up since ordered) and the 250gb NVME.

Seems the Corsair MP510 is currently cheaper than the Silicon Power 500gb model right now which isn't right, they are basically the same hardware.

[Marcvs]

Storing completed work in raid 0 seems kinda sketchy

[Percy1983]

Its all backed up externally, by definition storing anything on raid 0 is sketchy but I prefer (sometimes need) the performance and fully understand the risks.

Just found another block in the plan, using storeMI with raid arrays appears to be a no go.

May give VeloSSD a try or even MaxVeloSSD and use some ram for ridiculously fast caching.

I have an awareness by storage setups are far from what most people do, raid 0 and caching are 2 things long dead to many people.