Progress: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 put in shade by Pentium J5005

[HEXUS]

Entry level chip beats the venerable Q6600 in CPU Passmark while using a tenth of the power.

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[scaryjim]

Sorry Hexus crew, but how is this even vaguely meant to be news? After 11 years, I would hope that Intel's entry level chips could outperform the 11 year old flagship. And 'put in shade' is a bit rich - it's basically matched, on one benchmark. Then there's the pricing - the J5005 isn't exactly budget; it has a recommended customer price of $161. That's more than a Ryzen 5 2400G....

Although this does make me wonder what kind of TDP you'd see if you scaled-down and fabbed a Q6600 directly to 14nm...

[DevDrake]

+1 scaryjim.
And there is a big question - is the J5005 free form spectre and meltdown by the chip design? How/If does the fixes affect the benchmark then.

anyhow - i am happy to see more x86 at lower TDP with ok performance.

[Tabbykatze]

Sorry Hexus crew, but how is this even vaguely meant to be news? After 11 years, I would hope that Intel's entry level chips could outperform the 11 year old flagship. And 'put in shade' is a bit rich - it's basically matched, on one benchmark. Then there's the pricing - the J5005 isn't exactly budget; it has a recommended customer price of $161. That's more than a Ryzen 5 2400G....

Although this does make me wonder what kind of TDP you'd see if you scaled-down and fabbed a Q6600 directly to 14nm...

I agree, this is apparently news worthy but Spectre 3 and Spectre 4 aren't. Makes me question the validity of anything Hexus does.

Edit: I'm going to an extreme, but it thoroughly hacks me off that a fake tweet makes its way to the front page because no one did their appropriate fact finding but something that affects every CPU made in the past 10 years world wide is ignored. Most people won't know that the mitigation is off by default so therefore their security is potentially compromised and won't know how to turn it on. Or that turning it on will potentially incur a varying performance hit.

That is more newsworthy than "oh look, here we were to here we are", that's pocket lint falling out the forum.

[scaryjim]

... there is a big question - is the J5005 free form spectre and meltdown by the chip design? ...

In this case that's less of a question, because AFAIK the Q6600 is out of order and speculative and so is also vulnerable to those attacks...

AFAIK Intel aren't meant to have any silicon mitigations until later this year, so regardless of how biug a question it actually is, I'd punt for "No" being the answer...

[DanceswithUnix]

Then there's the pricing - the J5005 isn't exactly budget; it has a recommended customer price of $161. That's more than a Ryzen 5 2400G....

You can buy one in a NUC for £150: https://www.ebuyer.com/828230-intel-...e-boxnuc7pjyh3

At least Intel have moved the memory crippling to 8GB these days, but still I think I'm done with Atom boards however they want to try and brand them.

[philehidiot]

I think people are being a little harsh here. Whilst I dunno about the whole Spectre thing (haven't seen anything on Anandtech yet) this is pretty interesting stuff. No, it's not really news but it's a very interesting comparison and shows just how far chips have come, despite people going on about there being little to no progress over the past few years.

[azrael-]

Must be a slow news day.

But I agree with Phil, it's an interesting comparison nonetheless.

[3dcandy]

Not the most newsworthy item ever...but hey.

Le Reg says Spectre 3 and 4 are out there

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...rosoft_google/

[Tabbykatze]

Well it's obvious that some news websites rely on other news websites to do their work for them as it is not as prolific as the original Spectre Attacks:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...ectre-meltdown
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3640
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3639

[KN1GHT]

Sorry Hexus crew, but how is this even vaguely meant to be news? After 11 years, I would hope that Intel's entry level chips could outperform the 11 year old flagship. And 'put in shade' is a bit rich - it's basically matched, on one benchmark. Then there's the pricing - the J5005 isn't exactly budget; it has a recommended customer price of $161. That's more than a Ryzen 5 2400G....

Although this does make me wonder what kind of TDP you'd see if you scaled-down and fabbed a Q6600 directly to 14nm...

Totally agree with the above statement. :-)

[3dcandy]

Well it's obvious that some news websites rely on other news websites to do their work for them as it is not as prolific as the original Spectre Attacks:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...ectre-meltdown
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3640
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3639

Because again most of the measures put in place for previous attacks are helping safeguard against this one...

[azrael-]

Well it's obvious that some news websites rely on other news websites to do their work for them as it is not as prolific as the original Spectre Attacks:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...ectre-meltdown
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3640
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvenam...=CVE-2018-3639

The new exploits seem even worse. The news was originally broken by German c't Magazin back in early May. That's almost a month ago. Makes you wonder why it's taken this long to reach a broader audience.

[Tabbykatze]

Because again most of the measures put in place for previous attacks are helping safeguard against this one...

They affect the CPUs systems in different ways, the previous attack mitigations are not able to help against these new vulnerabilities. New patches have to be made that have their own performance impact on the Operating System. However, software patches in browsers are making it incredibly difficult certain access of hardware resources can prevent remote execution of this attack, but it is not safeguarding the vulnerability itself. However, the vulnerability is still there and will still be executable by anything that isn't a browser.

The new exploits seem even worse. The news was originally broken by German c't Magazin back in early May. That's almost a month ago. Makes you wonder why it's taken this long to reach a broader audience.

I know, I thought I was going mad. That's why I wanted to see what Hexus was doing but it seemed everyone just glossed over my post in the forum.

[3dcandy]

They affect the CPUs systems in different ways, the previous attack mitigations are not able to help against these new vulnerabilities. New patches have to be made that have their own performance impact on the Operating System. However, software patches in browsers are making it incredibly difficult certain access of hardware resources can prevent remote execution of this attack, but it is not safeguarding the vulnerability itself. However, the vulnerability is still there and will still be executable by anything that isn't a browser.



I know, I thought I was going mad. That's why I wanted to see what Hexus was doing but it seemed everyone just glossed over my post in the forum.

I was kinda generalising... but as pointed out a million times, malware must get onto said system first to initiate the problems. Most non geeky people were not worried about these exploits anyhoo (I know we're on a tech site but they simply weren't)

[Tabbykatze]

I was kinda generalising... but as pointed out a million times, malware must get onto said system first to initiate the problems. Most non geeky people were not worried about these exploits anyhoo (I know we're on a tech site but they simply weren't)

"Malware must get onto the system first" is one of my most hated phrases. And you are wrong, without adequate protection there are over 28 known ways that a drive by exploit can be used to gain full administrative access to your computer before you know anything has happened. A similar example is: I don't lock the safe with all my valuables in my home because my front door is locked.

My point is that this is tech site, non geeky people also consume information, a tech site should be talking about this.