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Why such a delay on the announcement and then he reviews, you cannot make a decision without them, i wouldnt order a new card without the reviews.
This is always the way, release and embargo lift always trail behind announcement. You can't order a card yet so no decision can be made until the embargo lifts just before release date?Originally Posted by Boon72
They also do this because they're still tying up loose ends on the lead up to release date for reviewers.
They're not selling them yet anyway. Wait for the reviews and availability. In the meantime tech-lovers and investors do want information about the features etc. as soon as they are finalised.
I've wondered this myself. Basically on launch day you have to purchase quickly otherwise you miss out, but are buying blind as there are no reviews. Not great for the consumer.
You don't need to buy them on launch day, they're not going to suddenly make your existing card slower or stop working. Wait for reviews and availability.
Iota (02-11-2020)
I agree under normal circumstances, but my current system is obsolete and I need a new card to play the new Microsoft Flight Sim.
You are not likely to get one on launch day anyway unless you resort to running bots to try and get one - given that the indicative results we've seen so far show these cards as level or just below the equivalent Nvidia offering..I think demand will be almost as high as it was for Nvida, if not higher.
I'm still waiting for the real benchmarks - these heavily curated and opaque ones published show us nothing more useful than the % charts we saw on launch day - sadly still 2 weeks away from "real" numbers. Hopefully we'll see some leaked benchmarks via the usual WCCF/Videocardz routes before then though to get an idea of how close AMD really got this time around. I am particularly interested to see the numbers on a non Ryzen setup for a fair comparison, and of course DXR performance.
Last edited by Spud1; 02-11-2020 at 12:56 PM.
Flight Sim is more CPU than GPU limited, even with something like a 3090. Depending on what you are upgrading from, you may not see much benefit. Note that it's multi core scaling is pretty poor as well (I think its still limited to 4 cores max, unless that has been "fixed" yet) so you don't even see a boost from taking the Ryzen route here, which is what you'd normally expect in a CPU limited scenario like this!
Last edited by Spud1; 02-11-2020 at 12:55 PM. Reason: double post
I'm living in the dark ages! Intel Q6600 with a GTX 770. Trying to build a new system and planning on getting a 4k monitor so really need a decent graphics card. The wait continues....
As always one should wait for independent reviews/benchmarks, but AMD is doing a good job in presenting the info at least. I don't see any dubious graphics (like bar sizes not in line with numbers, etc). I can't recall historically how accurate they have been in the past: announced performance vs actual performance. Then again: wait for independent reviews/benchmarks to inform your purchasing decision!!
They're far more transparent than historically and versus competitor offerings. They have clearly listed out their settings front and centre in clear and accessible tabular data. Not sure how more transparent they can get without actually releasing the video of the benchmark itself? Additionally, they have selected benchmarks used by reviewers commonly across the board and this is visible by them not including benchmark data for games like Ashes of The Singularity which is a game that benefits heavily toward AMD.
Not necessarily being combative, but how much more would they need to give to contradict your definition?
Ah fair enough. I'm waiting for them to fix the game up a bit more, possibly also the DX12 release, before heading into that wormhole!
It's a fair question..I guess I would like them to be clear on which scenes they have chosen to run for each game, are the numbers average or max FPS, and what specific settings they have enabled/disabled - noting that simple setting "high" or "highest" in most AAA games now only impacts a % of the graphics options, and they are clearly manipulating them by messing with AA for example. That makes sense given the impact it has on some of those titles, but does skew the results.
They are clearly choosing specific setting combinations & games to show off the 6800XT Vs 3080 (as you would), and since all benchmarks have "SAM" enabled & are only on a ryzen system, I still think they are basically worthless and can't be used to compare..its apples vs oranges atm.
No surprise mind, but we have to think of these numbers are part of a marketing/sales pitch, rather than a true representation of exactly what we'll see in the real world. I don't believe they add any value to the consumer over and above the slides we saw last week. Nvidia are no better here I must add, they are both at it.
Even worse are when the review embargo deliberately extends after the date of availability. We've seen this with games which basically guarantees it's a duff product and the developers/publishers know it.
Nvidia placing the launch of 3070 after the RX6000 announcement so AMD couldn't show direct comparisons with it prompts a somewhat similar, albeit gentle, raise of the eyebrow.
I have to wonder just how fast Nvidia will get the same feature enabled on their cards, and whether it can be back ported to existing GPUs.
I presume Intel will be trying to enable support for this as well.
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