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Cinema..another thing I disagree with, but i wont start on that...=P
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[QUOTE=starside]But going to the cinema costs a fiver and you see the film only once.[/QUOT]
Cinema..another thing I disagree with, but i wont start on that...=P
Falcon
It's my belief that knowledge should be shared, if it were, we'd of developed much further as a species.
The Only piece of software on my computer which was bought, was WindowsXP Home, 50 odd quid from Ebuyer.
The other 100 or so pieces of software came from somewhere else
P4 2.8 | 9600XT 540/340 | Seagate 80 GB X2 | 1024 DDR RAM
perhaps, but in a pure capitalism, if you want to be able to "eat" you need income - and if you're not making an income because all your efforts are being handed about for free, then you don't get to eat.
in communist russia, software shares you!
Maybe knowledge should be shared, but that doesn't mean software should.Originally Posted by LayZeh
If all software were free, we wouldn't be further advanced, we be virtually software-less, for the simple reason that those people that make their living from creating it, would be out doing something else to earn a living. If people can't make a profit from writing software, then (in large part) they won't do it.
The ONLY reason software piracy goes on to anything like the extent it does is that most people believe (rightly) that their chances of getting caught and punished are minimal, or zero.
The thread starter commented that this poll would be anonymous. I have news for you lot. It isn't. I can see who voted what, and while it isn't my decision, I'd suggest that if a properly formulated legal request were to be made, Hexus would release those details to the authorities.
Personally, I'd have very little sympathy if it did. Why? Because, like the people that write software, I make my living from creative work, and I rely on copyright protection to be able to do so. If people could flaunt my copyright as easily as you lot flaunt other people's, I'd be out of a living!
Well, the question was "Have you ever used a copied disk on your computer?", not "Do you currently practice and agree with software piracy?". Now personally I agree with much of what you say, Saracen; people should be rewarded for creative work (I'd note that some companies seem to do well enough on the Gillette principle - "We'll give you the razor, but sell you the blades", i.e. the software's free but you'll pay for maintenace and support, but that's simply another form of business model). You're probably correct about the reason for the prevalence of piracy too.
Being a producer of creative works doesn't mean you're free from sin, of course. As pointed out, ever videoed a programme and kept it for longer than the statutory timeshift period? Never had a friend tape you an album? And given that quite a few software companies have been found that use dodgy copies of software themselves...
That said, the "I know where you live and I'm going to get my mates to break your windows" tone of the second half of your post is rather nasty, and I feel somewhat inappropriate. If you feel that this discussion breaches the rules on talking about warez, or any other rule for that matter, you obviously know what to do about that in terms of discussing it with other mods.
Then in that case, well over 90% of people who have EVER used a computer (whether they're doing it now or now) would have details passed on. There will be almost no-one who hasn't done this.I can see who voted what, and while it isn't my decision, I'd suggest that if a properly formulated legal request were to be made, Hexus would release those details to the authorities.
There is no "statutory" period - the CDPA doesn't specify how long the period is - it merely says (paraphrasing) "to view at a more convenient time". The courts might interpret that as meaning, say, less than a month, but the time period is not statutory.
Friends have, on occasion, taped an album for me. But I'm something of an audiophile, so I like proper CDs. If I like the tape, I buy the CD. If I don't like the tape, why would I keep it? To the best of my recollection, I don't have any pirated CDs. I'm not into DVDs. My collection is about a dozen. Of that, a couple are copied disks that a friend gave me. Naughty? Yeah, I guess so.
I have, currently, five PC's here running XP. All are legit copies. Three more PC's running 2000 Server (legit), and Win 98 (both legit). I use MS Office, CorelDraw, Photoshop, Premiere, CoolEdit, Quickbooks Pro, Commence, ACDSee, Nero, WebStyle, Mailwasher Pro, etc - all legit.
Take Photoshop, for example. I have all versions from v3 to v7, and CS. All legit. The MailWasher Pro includes the FirstAlert (subscription only) service. And so on.
I'll freely admit to one other breach of copyright laws though. I have a number of MiniDiscs (about 30) that I use in the car, all recorded from CD. All from CD's I own, though. Strictly speaking, we shouldn't even record a copy of a disc we own to use in car, walkman, MP3 portable, etc. But having bought the disc once, I'll be damned if I'm buying a second copy to use in the car. Also, having had the car broken into more than once, I'll also be damned if I'm leaving the originals in the car. Not only would I take the risk of getting them nicked (again), but it actually increases the odds of the car getting broken into if that sort of thing is visible. It's a temptation. I have space to hide Minidiscs, but not CDs.
No, you misunderstand.
If this thread contravened the Warez rules here, it would have been closed. And I'm not threatening to report anybody to anybody for anything. The point was :-
- polls are not anonymous, just anonymous to other users
- if the appropriate legal "request" was made, I imagine David would yield the information
So, the point was "don't think confessions here are anonymous and safe - they aren't."
As for "appropriatenness", it's MY opinion. I might be an Admin, at David's whim, but I'm a member too (and foremost), and am entitled to express an opinion. IF people get nailed for copyright infringement (and that is a very BIG "if", as we all know the chances are remote in the extreme) then I'll have no sympathy. When my livelihood depends on copyright protection, and I've had to rely on it, together with reminding companies about my legal rights in order to get paid what I was owed, why would I have sympathy?
That is my opinion, and I'm certainly not going to refrain from expressing the opinion about how I'd feel for fear of offending people that are breaking the law in doing what I'm expressing an opinion about.
Bear in mind that "staff" members here wear two hats - staff and member. As an Admin, if I'm telling someone that they're breaking the rules, I expect them to do one of two things :-
- do what they're told and stop breaking the rules, or
- either explain to me why they think I'm wrong, or raise a complaint with David about my decision.
As a member, however, I expect to stay within the rules, but otherwise, am free to express any opinion I like.
Nicho, the way I read your comments about the second half of my post is that you're being ... erm, cautious and diplomatic.If you think I was out of order, go ahead and say so - or raise it with David. I'm not going to get uptight about it, and this post is supposed to be an explanation, not a rant. It's very easy to be misunderstood with the "tone of voice" in posts, so assume it's 'calm and reasonable'
My main gripes are:
Windows XP being £100 per PC. If I could pay £100 and use it on all MY personal PC's I would happily pay it. I have a Windows licence, but not all my PC's have one.
The other thing is the amount of money companies poor into antipiracy stuff. It is cracked 5 mins after it is released, in most cases before. So it begs the question of why bother. The money saved would go some way to reducing the price of the final product. That and the stupid figures they come up with saying how much they lost due to piracy. That assumes that everyone who got hold of a free copy would have gone out and bought it if the copy wasn't avalible, that is just never going to happen.
One other thing... Not so much software, but Music. Is the Gready record comapnies. The artists see less than £1 of your £9.99 album. It costs pennies to manufacture. Tescos/Virgin probably make a £1-£2 on every purchase. So in most cases 70-80% goes to the record companies. Even these online download places are a rip off. They remove most of the costs (Manufacture/Distribution/Reseller Markup etc) How much do you save by downloading an album? £1-2 I mean come on.
Last edited by Capt Doufos; 20-07-2004 at 11:00 AM.
Now this I DO agree with; not in the sense of advocating piracy, which I don't, but in the sense that the record companies seems to regard it as their mission in life to screw over artists AND the public, and then whine about rewarding artists in order to get more repressive copyright legislation through which won't benefit artists but WILL line the pockets of record company execs a bit more. Look at the European Copyright Directive; who was its chief sponsor? MEP Janelly Fourtou. And who is she? Why, she's the wife of Vivendi Universal president and chief executive Jean-Rene Fourtou, who will DIRECTLY profit from the EUCD.
The problem with music by Steve Albini
What gets me is that given the price you can buy an audio disk for (a prize for the first person to actually find a CD, i.e. a disk that conforms to the Red Book standard, these days), download stores are MORE expensive for poorer and more limited product. The record companies are happy to break the law by passing off product as CDs when they're not, happy to produce bogus statistics to "prove" how much money they've lost due to piracy (right, of course every dodgy copy translates into a lost sale, doesn't it?) and happy to rip off artists as well...arrrrrggghh
Sorry, gone a bit OT...
The only way the price will change is if people start using alternatives. If you use Windows, you KNOW it's a £100+ per machine cost and you have to factor that in to your spending. Don't want to pay that? Use Linux - it's more effort, I know, but it's free. If you really can't live without Windows, then you've just proven that it really does have commercial value, and you have to be prepared to pay that. I'd like to see the cost reduced, but as has been said elsewhere in this thread, if even the people who don't buy the software use nothing but Windows, then there's no pressure to change pricing or licensing structures. I agree with regard to the point concerning creative accounting used with regard to revenue losses, but that's just standard corporate veracity economy.
Last edited by nichomach; 20-07-2004 at 11:43 AM.
got a spare shrinkwrapped copy of xp home oem here, fifty quid plus a beer
Anouther problem with windows is MS used to justify by saying it was only 5-10% of the total value of a PC. (When they used to cost £1k-2k) Now you can build a PC for £200 that cost has become 50%
With several Open Source options now of days, I find the need to be less than it was back in the late 90's. There will always be that slightly "gray" area of software and music out there. Microsoft is looking to come out with a stripped version of XP for the Asian market to go against the Linux offerings but some how greed will always be Microsoft way, just read any current Licensing agreement on use to see what I mean.
You are doing nothing illegal by copying cds that you own for your own personal use. It's only illegal if you use those copied versions for distribution, broadcast etc - it's in the copyright.
btw I think that's the wisest thing to do if you play music in a car.
Is it ileagal to download a image of a cd you own? Say you scratched yours?
Depends on the Place.
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