Guys 'ALLENDALE' is here. The New King of overclocking up for grabs!

[YOYOtech - Nav]

Hey Guys, the new king of overclocking is arriving. The new Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 is the best overclocking Core 2 duo till date and the best news is its up for grabs, so dont miss this great oppurtunity and Pre-order one for yourself NOW. Here is the link:
http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/product_in...b1982fd8240553

[Tobeman]

Oh nads. I realised you guys are based in London but never really paid much attention to you. You are a stones throw away from where I start my new job on Monday, Jermyn Street.

There goes my salary.

[Cozwin]

why is it the same price as e6300 on most sites tbh id take the e6300

[jackvdbuk]

why is it the same price as e6300 on most sites tbh id take the e6300

these can clock better and are easier tbh...

200fsb normal * 9 = 1.8
266 fsb * 9 = 2.4

tadaaaa

[Cozwin]

yes but e6300 out performs it in benchmarks and seems as the majority of the world doesnt overclock i see no point tbh, as this processor was ment to be cheaper not same price.

[jackvdbuk]

sorry for beign lazy but show me these benchmarks pelase...

so if you DO overclock, and it can clock a good 200-400mhz more than the e6300, you wouldnt upgrade??

[raverbaby]

I was looking forward to this but refuse to pay for one since it is no way cheap enough considering the 6300 can be purchased for a marginally higher price

[chuckskull]

Seems like a dead chip unless you £20-£30 is knocked off to me, thats how it's selling in the US.

[YOYOtech - Nav]

Guys, you are right in pointing out that there is not much difference in price in E4300 and E6300, probably around 7-10 quid only but here we are looking at E4300 not only as a budget chip based on new core architecture but the best 'BUDGET + OVERCLOCKING' chip that you can buy based on the core architecture.
If you are not gonna overclock at all then you are right in saying that E6300 is gonna be a better buy due to the fact that it runs at 1.86 GHz as compared to 1.80 GHz on E4300, runs at 1066FSB compared to 800FSB on E4300 and is just 7-10 quid dearer.
But if you are looking into overclocking these chips then there is no denying of the fact that because E4300 is running at lower FSB and a higher Multiplier as compared to E6300 you would always be able to achieve much higher overclock on E4300 as compared to E6300. Here is an Example:

E4300 E6300
DEFAULT 9X200=1.8GHz 7X266=1.86GHz
OVERCLOCK1) 9X300=2.70GHz 7X300=2.10GHz
OVERCLOCK2) 9X350=3.15GHz 7X350=2.45GHz

Now as you can see from the above figures, one can achieve much higher overall frequencies on a similar setup on E4300 as compared to a E6300 and OVERCLOCK1) figures should be very easy to achieve on these chips with a decent setup due to their overclocking friendly nature.
So decision is yours
You want better budget chip based on Core architecture running on stock frequencies = E6300
You want better 'BUDGET + OVERCLOCKING' chip based on core architecture which you would like to overclock = E4300

[neonplanet40]

pity im still on athlon X2 def a good chip for the price though.

I think this chip will be the same as the P4 2.4 GHZ it overclocked to about 3.4 in my old rig rock stable.

bascially guys if you dont overclock then dont get the chip but if u do then get ur dam wallet out and start buying some chips!

[raverbaby]

That's a good point though because of my financial situation i think i'll wait till the rest of the new core 2 duo families come out. Though if i had 100quid or needed a cpu no doubt i'd buy the allendale

[Cozwin]

Guys, you are right in pointing out that there is not much difference in price in E4300 and E6300, probably around 7-10 quid only but here we are looking at E4300 not only as a budget chip based on new core architecture but the best 'BUDGET + OVERCLOCKING' chip that you can buy based on the core architecture.
If you are not gonna overclock at all then you are right in saying that E6300 is gonna be a better buy due to the fact that it runs at 1.86 GHz as compared to 1.80 GHz on E4300, runs at 1066FSB compared to 800FSB on E4300 and is just 7-10 quid dearer.
But if you are looking into overclocking these chips then there is no denying of the fact that because E4300 is running at lower FSB and a higher Multiplier as compared to E6300 you would always be able to achieve much higher overclock on E4300 as compared to E6300. Here is an Example:

E4300 E6300
DEFAULT 9X200=1.8GHz 7X266=1.86GHz
OVERCLOCK1) 9X300=2.70GHz 7X300=2.10GHz
OVERCLOCK2) 9X350=3.15GHz 7X350=2.45GHz

Now as you can see from the above figures, one can achieve much higher overall frequencies on a similar setup on E4300 as compared to a E6300 and OVERCLOCK1) figures should be very easy to achieve on these chips with a decent setup due to their overclocking friendly nature.
So decision is yours
You want better budget chip based on Core architecture running on stock frequencies = E6300
You want better 'BUDGET + OVERCLOCKING' chip based on core architecture which you would like to overclock = E4300

yes but if you look at current benchmarks going around even with that extra 300 - 400 mhz overclock or w/e the e6300 overclocked still beats it for performance as it seems they must have changed some other things in the cpu other then fsb and multi.

[iamtheoneneo]

what benchmarks are they? because the ones i see give it a 3-4% decrease compared to the 6300 at stock speeds , overclocked i dont no. but your right on one thing they have removed some of the Virtualization instruction set stuff from it but that doesnt really make any difference in games

[YOYOtech - Nav]

yes but if you look at current benchmarks going around even with that extra 300 - 400 mhz overclock or w/e the e6300 overclocked still beats it for performance as it seems they must have changed some other things in the cpu other then fsb and multi.

Mate before posting this thread an extensive research was done on this topic. At the moment i know of two major websites which have reviewed E4300 with other Core 2 Duos and Athlon X2s. Through the review, they have compared E4300 at stock and overclocked frequencies with all other CPUs running at their stock speeds.
A lot of time was put into a theoritical comparision between E4300 and E6300 the conclusion was which was that there are only three differences between E4300 and E6300.

1. E6300 is Core 2 Duo based on 'Conroe' which actually represents the Core 2 Duo processors based on 'Core' architecture and having 4MB L2 Cache onboard. The only thing is that E6300 and E6400 have 2MB of L2 cache disabled and rest 2MB cache has been left enabled so they are still called 'Conroe' but on this point also there is a lot of confusion going on among the web community because there are websites which consider E6300 and E6400s as 'Allendale'. E4300 also has 2MB L2 cache and no disabled cache at all.
2. E6300 has got Intel's virtualization technology whereas they have disabled it on E4300 but that should not make any difference on the performance front as it is not a performance related feature because Virtualization is related to simultaneously running virtual Operating systems on a Server or workstation.
3. And as all know, the main and most visible difference is the FSB on two processors which does make E6300 a better buy on stock frequencies but not otherwise.

As per the comparision in practiceis concerned, i strongly believe that there would not be any difference at all between E6300 and E4300 if running at same settings and same setup because as i have mentioned above, fundamentally they have same set of performance features and even the FSB differences vanish once you compare them on overclocked frequencies.

And if you were referring to the comparision of E4300 running at 3.3GHz to an X6800 running at 2.93GHz and still facing a defeat in certain applications then that is a different case altogether because it got defeated in some applications mostly due to the fact that it has 2MB L2 cache as compared to 4MB L2 cache on x6800 and some of the applications depend alot on the amount of cache.

[iamtheoneneo]

wonder how stable this thing is going to be over the 3ghz level?

[DR]

We have one of these CPUs coming in - we will post full results