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    You just knew it would happen.

    http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...0&in_page_id=2

    Pretty much, christian refuses to drive a bus with the atheist advert on it. Now to me, he has no right at all to do this and I think his employers are taking a really lenient line with him on this. What will be next, will muslim drivers refuse to drive buses with christian adverts on? Will it be reasonable to refuse to drive a bus with a message about contraception on it because you are catholic? Where will it all end?

    If it had been my employee I have to say I would have told him 'you drive any bloody bus I tell you to and if you don't.. well we have disciplinary procedures for that'.
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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Yea, saw this a couple of days ago, outrageous, really.

    What difference will it make to his life by not driving those particular buses?

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    I think its quite good that his employer allows him such slack.

    But at the same time, where do you draw the line, a veggie has no right to refuse to drive a bus that advertises Gorden Ramsey?

    A Peta'rd has no right to refuse to drive a bus that advertises the RSPCA.

    Etc.

    I don't see why something is given special status because its a 'religion'.
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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    sack him

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    An Atheist (myself) wouldn't have a problem driving a bus with a Christian advert on it. What an ignorant and arrogant fool he is.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    I don't see why something is given special status because its a 'religion'.
    There you have the crux of it

    A highly noticeable flaw in modern society, culminating with the whole Muslim drama at the moment. Jokes are quick to lampoon priests and vicars, but when anyone stereotypes a Muslim everyone gets a bit worried and nothing happens (what, for fear of being blown up? how hypocritical).

    I read an excellent essay by Richard Dawkins last night about an interview with some religious folk on television (that he took part in). Called "Dolly and the Cloth Heads" for those who are interested. It does not seek to lambast religion directly, only comment on the absurdity of some of the "procedures" we go through so as not to offend anyone.

    http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/...08clone2.shtml

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    The admirable Dolly the sheep must have felt her cloned ears burning this week. She has seldom been off the air, seldom far from the Comment columns, the Leader pages or the Letters to the Editor. What has intrigued me is the process by which invited contributors to the broadcast debates on such delicate matters are chosen. Some of them are experts in the field, as you would expect and as is right and proper. Others are distinguished scholars of moral or legal philosophy, which is equally appropriate. Both these categories of person have been invited in their own right, because of their expert knowledge or their proven ability to think intelligently and express themselves clearly. The arguments they have with each other are usually illuminating and rewarding.

    But there is another category of obligatory guest. There is the inevitable "representative" of the so-and-so "community"; and, of course, we mustn't forget the "voice" from the such-and-such "tradition". Not to mince words, the religious lobby. Lobbies in the plural, I should say, because all the religions have their point of view, and they all have to be represented lest their respective "communities" feel slighted. This has the incidental effect of multiplying the sheer number of people in the studio, with consequent consumption, if not waste, of time. It also, I believe, often has the effect of lowering the level of expertise and intelligence. This is only to be expected, given that these spokesmen are chosen not because of their own qualifications in the field, or as thinkers, but simply because they represent a particular section of the community.

    Out of good manners I shall not mention names, but this week I have experienced public discussions of cloning with several prominent religious leaders, and it has not been edifying. One of the most eminent of these spokesmen, recently elevated to the House of Lords, got off to a flying start by refusing to shake hands with the women in the studio, apparently for fear that they might be menstruating or otherwise "unclean".

    They took the insult graciously, and with the "respect" always bestowed on religious prejudice (but no other kind of prejudice).
    The spokesman then, when asked what harm cloning might do, answered that atomic bombs were harmful. No disagreement there, but the discussion was in fact supposed to be about cloning. Since it was his choice to shift the discussion to atomic bombs, perhaps he knew more about physics than about biology? But, no, having delivered himself of the daring falsehood that Einstein split the atom, he switched with confidence to geological history. He made the telling point that, since God laboured six days and then rested on the seventh, scientists, too, ought to know when to call a halt.

    Now, either he really believed that the world was made in six days, in which case his ignorance alone disqualifies him from being taken seriously. Or, as the presenter charitably suggested, he intended the point purely as an allegory - in which case it was a lousy allegory. Sometimes in life it is a good idea to stop; sometimes it is a good idea to go on . The trick is to decide when to stop. The allegory of God resting on the seventh day cannot, in itself, tell us whether we have reached the right point to stop in some particular case. As allegory, the six-day creation story is empty. As history, it is false. So why bring it up?

    The representative of a rival religion on the same panel was frankly confused. He feared that a human clone would lack individuality. It would not be a whole, separate human being but a mere soulless automaton. When one of the scientists mildly suggested that he might be hurting the feelings of identical twins, he said that identical twins were a quite different case. Why? Because they occur naturally, rather than under artificial conditions. Once again, no disagreement about that. But weren't we talking about "individuality", and whether clones are "whole human beings" or soulless automata? This religious spokesman seemed simply unable to grasp that there were two separate arguments going on: first, whether clones are autonomous individuals (in which case the analogy with identical twins is inescapable and his fear groundless); and second, whether there is something objectionable about artificial interference in the natural processes of reproduction (in which case other arguments should be deployed - but weren't). I don't want to sound uncharitable, but I respectfully submit to the producers who put together these panels that merely being a spokesman for a particular "tradition" or "community" may not be enough. Isn't a certain minimal qualification in the IQ department desirable, too?

    On a different panel, this time on radio, yet another religious leader was similarly perplexed by identical twins. He too had theological grounds for fearing that a clone would not be a separate individual and would therefore lack "dignity". He was swiftly informed of the undisputed scientific fact that identical twins are clones of each other with the same genes, exactly like Dolly the sheep except that Dolly's clone is older. Did he really mean to say that identical twins (and we all know some) lack the dignity of separate individuality? His reason for denying the relevance of the twin analogy was even odder than the previous one. Indeed it was transparently self-contradictory. He had great faith, he informed us, in the power of nurture over nature. Nurture is why identical twins are really different individuals. When you get to know a pair of twins, he pointed out triumphantly, they even look a bit different.

    Er, quite so. And if a pair of clones were separated by 50 years, wouldn't their respective nurtures be even more different? Haven't you just shot yourself in your theological foot? He just didn't get it - but, after all, he hadn't been chosen for his ability to follow an argument. Religious lobbies, spokesmen of "traditions" and "communities", enjoy privileged access not only to the media but to influential committees of the great and the good, to the House of Lords (as I mentioned above), and to the boards of school governors.

    Their views are regularly sought, and heard with exaggerated "respect", by parliamentary committees. Religious spokesmen and spokeswomen enjoy an inside track to influence and power which others have to earn through their own ability or expertise.

    What is the justification for this? Maybe there is a good reason, and I'm ready to be persuaded by it. But, on the face of it, isn't there more justification for choosing expert witnesses for their knowledge and accomplishments as individuals, than because they represent some group or class of person? Come to think of it, in the light of all those worries about lack of individuality among clones, isn't there a touch of irony here? Maybe even a useful allegory? Ah, now, you're talking!

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by DataMatrix View Post
    An Atheist (myself) wouldn't have a problem driving a bus with a Christian advert on it. What an ignorant and arrogant fool he is.
    You sir have hit the nail on the head.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Another perfect example of religions being tolerant to other view points....
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    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    They should put the guy on a disciplinary for this after checking to make sure its legal of course.....
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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Religion sucks.Really.

    Sorry to be so simplistic but it makes me cry.

    I really am rather fond of human beings.

    But. People get led astray or are forced by birth to follow, believe in a divine being, sign up and agree to all the byelaws that go with that particular version.

    To me, it's madness.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    This was a personal test for this man directly from god. God was testing him on his tolerance and personal strength of faith. He failed dismally because he lacked strength to ignore the advert, thereby acting in a non-Christian way and being intolerant to others, so god is going to send him to hell. Come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever met a Christian, they never seem to act how their book tells them to.
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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    The man is 62. He's probs worked all his life through tougher times that you or I will ever experience. If he doesn't want to drive the bus, just let him not drive the bus. Someone else can drive the bus whilst he drives a different one. There you go; resolved without a war.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    The man is 62. He's probs worked all his life through tougher times that you or I will ever experience. If he doesn't want to drive the bus, just let him not drive the bus. Someone else can drive the bus whilst he drives a different one. There you go; resolved without a war.
    Or he could have used his religion to get out of every bit of work possible.

    We'll never really know will we?
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    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Or he could have used his religion to get out of every bit of work possible.
    We'll never really know will we?
    Blokes called 'Ron' don't duck work Agent . Ron probably loves doing what he does; he's got that genial, chirpy look about him. Why upset the poor ol' feller? End of.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    he's got that genial, chirpy look about him.

    Looks like a self-righteous **** to me.

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    Re: You just knew it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Another perfect example of religions being tolerant to other view points....
    That's the problem* with religion. It isn't another point of view for them, it's just plain wrong and we're all going to hell.

    Frankly I'd rather go to hell than hang around with a bunch of pious Christians for the rest of time.


    (* Did I say "the problem"?! My mistake, I meant to say "one of the problems"...)

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