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    hehe.hullo folks. i've surfed around a bit here on hexus before, but never really gotten into the forums much. i own this board too... well more like i owned this board. i bought it from frys and will be returning it today or tomorrow. i have a different issue. this is my third abit f-i90hd. it worked fine until yesterday. it's slow to boot up, and then right after windows loading screen finishes, it shuts down the computer. does the same thing in safe mode. when i try to re-install windows, it shuts down after windows loading screen. i've tried with 2 psu's, 3 processors, 2 sets of ram, with and without sound/video card, and 2 different hard drives. The same thing happened to my first board, but that one actually ended up not even turning on anymore. the second board had issues with onboard video (looks like no signal then it'd flash on then go off again). This third board ran fine for about a week. i overclocked it once to 300fsb then backed off to default as i didnt want to screw it up. well it just so happens it did anyhow. here are my specs.

    cpu: e4300, e6300, celeron d 356
    ram: 2gb ddr2 667 team group xtreem d9gmh 3-4-4-8, 2gb ddr2 STT S-rigid
    video: evga 7900gt ko
    cooling: stock, noctua nh-u9
    hdd: seagate 250gb 16mb 7200.10 sata, western digital 80gb 8mb special pata
    psu: seasonic m12 700, thermaltake tr2 430wt
    sound: creative x-fi platinum
    optical: NEC 9550a ide

    sidenote: i kind of gave up on abit support, as they never replied to my questions when i last contacted them about my second board.
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    ezcool 550w

    Dont use a rubbish PSU with systems like that. I wouldnt let an "ezcool" power a pentium 2.
    Froogle is showing thse "550w" PSU's coming in at about £18. Chuck it in the bin and buy a proper one
    Yup ezcool is like the same type of psu you buy at pcworld at inflated prices lol.

    To be honest it does sound like the PSU, if twomotherboards are blowing with the same problem then usually it would be the PSU in this particullar case.

    Do you have a friend whom can loan you a different make psu to try it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgamesh View Post
    Yup ezcool is like the same type of psu you buy at pcworld at inflated prices lol.

    To be honest it does sound like the PSU, if twomotherboards are blowing with the same problem then usually it would be the PSU in this particullar case.

    Do you have a friend whom can loan you a different make psu to try it out?

    gilgamesh
    yes i have a separate psu, but trust me it aint the psu. lots of people are reporting the same fault, board runs smooth for days no problems then crash after crash then dead. there is a 67 page thread over on H forum with a fair few people with the same / similar problems. The abit tech was sure it was the memory on both occasions.

    but all i and other people with a dead or dying f-i90hd want is some answers as to why, and not yet another "blame the other components". Fair enough if it is due to memory compatibility issues or that they shipped the boards with a buggy bios.

    But if that is the case can abit just say so publicly instead of denying there is a problem with the board..and being a commercial Ostrich and sticking there head in the sand and hoping its all going to blow over.

    the last answer i got over the phone suggested that i should have not purchased DDR2 with a stock voltage of 1.8v if thats the case why did abit not tell me when they told me to buy new ram.

    if it is memory compatibility then can abit make a list of know good RAM no matter how small....

    if it is the BIOS can abit tell people which bios and when there will be a safe update.

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    My board has been working great so far, but there does seem to be alot of reported failures over at hardocp forum.

    Could it possibly be shipping damage? My board was just sliding around inside the box and not secured in any way. I would seriously look at packaging these boards better with foam padding and anti-static bags!

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    • gilgamesh's system
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    Quote Originally Posted by dworley View Post
    My board has been working great so far, but there does seem to be alot of reported failures over at hardocp forum.

    Could it possibly be shipping damage? My board was just sliding around inside the box and not secured in any way. I would seriously look at packaging these boards better with foam padding and anti-static bags!
    That is a fair comment.

    I believe I was one of the first Twenty in the country to get this board. Whilst i respect thsoe whom are having problems with board, I however have ahd no problems with this board and I have tested this board with teh original beta bios. Apart from the problems of which I have already listed that I found, I have no issues with this board. However I have noticed that the board DOES slide around in the box alot. I dont think this would cause any damage, but I could be wrong!

    I have spent the last Month going over this board thoroughly both with an onobard and an addon GPU whislt the board DOEShave a few minor gripes there is nothing major.

    To the gentleman having hte problems. if you live anywhere near yorkshire, ill be glad to test my parts with your board to finda solution for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgamesh View Post

    To the gentleman having hte problems. if you live anywhere near yorkshire, ill be glad to test my parts with your board to finda solution for you.

    gilgamesh
    thanks for the offer but seen as the board is dead it would be kinda pointless for me at least. plus it would not apparent anyway seen as most of the dead boards test fine for the first few days or so, and show little problems.

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    • gilgamesh's system
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    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    thanks for the offer but seen as the board is dead it would be kinda pointless for me at least. plus it would not apparent anyway seen as most of the dead boards test fine for the first few days or so, and show little problems.
    shrugs i am willing to loan you my board. There is an old saying, if it breaks once its bad luck twice is a coincidence, but three times is a fault, my thinking is this, I have used this board for a MONTH and if it goes faulty again then the only thing I could logically say is that some other part of your computer is the problem, causing boards to blow, this would be the most logical course of action.

    Shrugs the offer is there if you need it
    a;ll you do is arrange your own collection and delivery service, and then to deliver the board back off to me when your done. I will let you have two weeks with the board.

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    thank you for the offer its very good of you. but ive RMA ed my second board now, and im going down the AMD route. but trust me its not any of the current components, unless its compatibility. because they have all worked fine in my old set setup, for a long time with no crashes or issues.

    The other components including the PSU, CPU, memory are fine. Because if you change one component and and then it all goes tits up, its a 99% safe bet that the changes youve made are the reason, IE the f-i90HD. not saying there all like it but certainly the ones ive had are. they were from the same batch.

    but thanks very much for the offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgamesh View Post
    shrugs i am willing to loan you my board. There is an old saying, if it breaks once its bad luck twice is a coincidence, but three times is a fault, my thinking is this, I have used this board for a MONTH and if it goes faulty again then the only thing I could logically say is that some other part of your computer is the problem, causing boards to blow, this would be the most logical course of action.

    Shrugs the offer is there if you need it
    a;ll you do is arrange your own collection and delivery service, and then to deliver the board back off to me when your done. I will let you have two weeks with the board.

    gilgamesh
    yah.... this is my third board. it's making me uncomfortable knowing that there are many people out there who have no problem at all, and some who have more than a few failures. i'm sincerely hoping it's not my parts. i'm thinking it might be my tr2 doing the bad stuff to the board. it might be real finicky with the parts it chooses to work with. maybe the power regulation on these boards aren't all that great? i used my seasonic with it fine, now it's givin me this shutdown stuff when windows starts up stuff. i really do have to take up issue with the packaging though. the board really scratched up the insides of the box. sure there's no static elecricty and what not, but it's pretty tough on the parts physically. my first board had scratches on the top of the flap that comes down over the board. i'm guessing it was not just sliding around it was actually floppin and hoppin around too.

    i'm just wondering if there's an explanation with what's happening to me though. everything looks fine until you try to install or boot up windows. This makes me think ram problem because i usually get similar stuff when i oc ram too high or when i have timings that are too tight, but that happens at random places in load. the shutting down thing with this board happens at the same time every time. windows finishes loading, the blue startup screen flashes on, then shuts down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konman43 View Post
    yah.... this is my third board. it's making me uncomfortable knowing that there are many people out there who have no problem at all, and some who have more than a few failures. i'm sincerely hoping it's not my parts. i'm thinking it might be my tr2 doing the bad stuff to the board. it might be real finicky with the parts it chooses to work with. maybe the power regulation on these boards aren't all that great? i used my seasonic with it fine, now it's givin me this shutdown stuff when windows starts up stuff. i really do have to take up issue with the packaging though. the board really scratched up the insides of the box. sure there's no static elecricty and what not, but it's pretty tough on the parts physically. my first board had scratches on the top of the flap that comes down over the board. i'm guessing it was not just sliding around it was actually floppin and hoppin around too.

    i'm just wondering if there's an explanation with what's happening to me though. everything looks fine until you try to install or boot up windows. This makes me think ram problem because i usually get similar stuff when i oc ram too high or when i have timings that are too tight, but that happens at random places in load. the shutting down thing with this board happens at the same time every time. windows finishes loading, the blue startup screen flashes on, then shuts down.
    power regulation seems to be ok.

    Let us get to the heart of your problem, ok what BIOS version are using first of all that would help alot. I know the inital beta bios that came shipped with the board fails to work with Vista AT ALL .Have you tried to upgrade your BIOS mate?

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    problems with the boards power regulation is one thing that struck a cord with a couple of people over on the H thread too.

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    I've built 6 PCs from this Abit F-I90HD v1.0 stock for slightly different purposes. Only intended to buy 4 boards in total, but have had quality and dead functionality issues. I'm hoping now to keep 3 going with the 3 other boards going back for a refund. I'll move up the range and suffer the additional expense of a PCIexpress gfx card. Perhaps I'll head towards a higher end support for DirectX and maybe HDMI1.3 functionality (with audio if I can bring the technologies together slightly less elegantly than the F-I90HD aims to).

    Bought 1st machine as an evaluation. Antec NSK2400 mATX case + 380W integral PSU, GeIL 512MB pair dual-channel (1GB) kit. E4300 CPU. SATA Raptor 74GB + SATA DVDR.

    Worked fine, although couldn't initially run on the single DIMM that didn't have a serial number loaded in the SPD (the other half of the pair as it were). I was wary of ATI as I am have a leaning towards Nvidia solutions. Also AMD annoyed me years back as I didn't think they read the PCI recommendations quite the same as Intel did.

    Less than perfect DIMM support seems nothing unusual other than the fact that the board had shipped with a NOT FOR SALE 1.0 BIOS. Used UBCD4Win to access the Windows Flashing tool that was installed on another machine with a shared Program Files directory. Then installed FC5 Linux with the IDE controller in Legacy mode. FC6 x64 worked in AHCI mode also.

    GeIL and most DDR2-6400 and above rated manufacturers seem to have completely ignored the JEDEC 1.8V requirements or DDR2. In theory you could buy 800MHz or higher DIMMs like these that would never let the full PC you built work unless you had temporary access to a 1.8V set that you could update the CMOS to cater for ahead of schedule. Even then there might be instances where you'd not get enough juice through the memory to POST to have the chipset initialised in the first place. If this is going to continue, perhaps because low cost memory at 1.8V isn't possible then I think it is time for a DIP switch or straps for the voltage setting on future motherboards. Abit are not alone in this minefield.

    So it was time to get the rest. Needed 3 of these desktop systems in total. Then another 3 boards were used in a single Antec NSK1300 SFF/mATX cube.

    Already had one machine, so ordered another 3 boards from the same supplier. They came together but one board had a broken northbridge heatsink. This was for myself, as luck would have it. There was no sign of the push-pin plastic in the packaging (neither the black paper box nor the glossy carton). Either it was broken off at the retailer or somewhere between the point of manufacturing and the retailer. I don't think I'm wrong here. I suspect the northbridge was crushed also. The box would have aided the core of the RS600/RX1250 to be crushed, that is for certain.

    Can't blame the board or Abit's electronics designers for this. I'm really not at all impressed by the overall packaging. The accessories are however very well protected! Seems very strange to force a fine piece of engineering through the rigours of a sliding cardboard box and with no ESD protection materials. I'd think twice to allowing quite that much movement on my mid-day sandwich! Fortunately we have a workstation with an ESD surface to work on and good working practices. So I can be quite sure the boards were all treated well and equally, but we still had 50% failure.

    The two further boards had these issues:

    2nd problem board:
    Duff DIMM1 and DIMM2 sockets. The bootstrap knew something was plugged in but it would never start up. Yet either or both DIMMs in any order were fine in DIMM3 and DIMM4. Yes, 1.9, 1.95 and 2.1V were tried in order (GeIL state 1.9-2.3V for this memory as I recall, 2.1V is on the sticker).

    3rd problem board:
    The last board I had simply worked but unfortunately there was no Red output on the analogue VGA port. Can't say whether the HDMI was OK or not. I'm heading towards owning a suitable TV flat panel I'm on CRTs until then.

    Both the 2nd and 3rd incarnations could be as a result of component failure, lack of quality control, or my personal favourite - shoddy box design.

    I like the board otherwise. I'd recommend folks pick these boards up directly from the mail order company. Go there! Reduce your risk.


    Going back to the original NSK2400 housed Abit F-I90HD. They are still working and better stay that way as they are going into a 24hr role in an air conditioned room. They've been tested at length, no overclocking - recently had the 1.1 firmware applied. Just had one machine that has needed 2.1V in order to guarantee POST. Without this there is the odd occasion where the ATX PWR-Switch doesn't start the board at all. It stays off until you pull the power and go down to a single DIMM.

    I'd rather have not got quite so familiar with the board. I've been happy with Abit's BP6 and TH7-II boards. However I'll admit to being rather put off their quality control and handling policies with this recent escapade.

    Oh, "Fatal1ty" stands for what you might suffer if you don't collect from the merchant. Really, the RS600 was enough to sell me this board, the Abit Japanese capacitors and the legendary stability even if overclocked was also what drew me. Drop the lifestyle endorsement - please. It isn't as if the guy is some kind of role model or anything. He's just rich + getting richer....

    The logical thing to do is to turn to a dependable proven board. One that is known to be reliable over a good length of time. I didn't, based on this being a V1.00 board and an early firmware. Also, it seems to prove worthwhile to give a board 12 months of burn-in and time to review how far to go. Unless you have some reliable information from elsewhere to assure you otherwise.

    I'd like to think that this board isn't bleeding edge. I suspect it is a regular performer in this next-generation of high spec'd solutions that ought not to have any FSB or gfx overclocking capability in the BIOS that ships with it (having read other peoples troubles where they have overclocked). I'm equally put off the RD600 from DFI as a result of what I found. So I remain quite loyal to Abit throughout this experience.

    That said, this board is worth the money. Closest equivalent being a Intel 965 with X3000 graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romeo9 View Post
    GeIL and most DDR2-6400 and above rated manufacturers seem to have completely ignored the JEDEC 1.8V requirements or DDR2. In theory you could buy 800MHz or higher DIMMs like these that would never let the full PC you built work unless you had temporary access to a 1.8V set that you could update the CMOS to cater for ahead of schedule. Even then there might be instances where you'd not get enough juice through the memory to POST to have the chipset initialised in the first place. If this is going to continue, perhaps because low cost memory at 1.8V isn't possible then I think it is time for a DIP switch or straps for the voltage setting on future motherboards. Abit are not alone in this minefield.
    usually the simple expedient of only installing 1 DIMM lets you access the BIOS & set/save the higher voltage required by most DDR2 6400.
    One can then install the second DIMM.

    My own thoughts purely based on reading forums (so pretty worthless really) make me wonder if these problems are northbridge-related?
    abit's recent hardware designs have looked to be excellent though so I'm sure that a cause/solution will be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgamesh View Post
    power regulation seems to be ok.

    Let us get to the heart of your problem, ok what BIOS version are using first of all that would help alot. I know the inital beta bios that came shipped with the board fails to work with Vista AT ALL .Have you tried to upgrade your BIOS mate?

    gilgamesh
    i've been using the bios that ships with the board. there are no "official" bioses i can download from abit yet. so i never did. i misplaced my driver cd on my second board, and my email to abit for help in getting drivers and a bios update online went unanswered. i returned that board as it's onboard video was screwy (black screen, would flash on now and then). i'm wondering what bios update you are referring to as i dont see any downloads available on abit's page. the third board used the shipped bios also. i use windows xp pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konman43 View Post
    i've been using the bios that ships with the board. there are no "official" bioses i can download from abit yet. so i never did.
    ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/fi90hd/

    certainly a no. of mobos had a BIOS predating that 11

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    shipping damage

    Quote Originally Posted by dworley View Post
    My board has been working great so far, but there does seem to be alot of reported failures over at hardocp forum.

    Could it possibly be shipping damage? My board was just sliding around inside the box and not secured in any way. I would seriously look at packaging these boards better with foam padding and anti-static bags!
    Buff, Dworley etc

    I suspected as such but due to not having a damaged board myself, whoever I can confirm that the packaging maybe a contributing factor to a FEW of the boards not working, at that time, however on fourther anylsis I know believe this can be a factored into the equation.

    I have had a word with PR in Tiawan about 20 mins ago, the issue is going to be looked at, packaging dept has been informed of this, issue is going to be looked at.

    Agreed that the board should NEVER have room to shift around in the box, I have asked to be updated on this issue and will feed back to you when I have an answer.

    The packaging most certainly needs to be addressed.

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