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About LinkBacksAgreed, people should know, either by sense or teaching, where you should drive carefully and at lower speeds, but they dont.Originally Posted by Barakka
Of course, school children should also be taught to keep away from the road.
Heck yeah, 80mph woo!
No thanks, I like 70mph as is.
Agreed, people should know, either by sense or teaching, where you should drive carefully and at lower speeds, but they dont.
Of course, school children should also be taught to keep away from the road.
Still prefer to 70mph on motorway. like some mentioned, it has become a target speed for drivers (especially the new ones). the faster it limit is, the faster they drive.
I constantly travel at MUCH faster than 70mph, without any issues or incidence.
I also land the damn thing faster than that if I'm practicing a flap-less landing in a strong wind.
Speed does not kill alone. People who don't pay attention kill.
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Exactly, and the attention applies to everyone, from the person stepping off the pavement to the tit swerving out in front of you from another lane.
not a lot of pavements on the motorway
immer in der Scheiße, ist es nur die Tiefe, die sich verändert.
I don't really like Mercs but...
Really not sure I can agree there, having driven my mum's Tigra quite a lot (which is a Corsa in drag IIRC).
Not all suspension is the same, not all ABS is the same, so I would expect the Merc to keep the tyres in better contact with the tarmac and braking closer to the tyre's limit of ability. I would also expect it to have better visilbility and be less susceptible to cross winds, because that is part of what you are paying all that money for.
Yes if the Merc had rubbish tyres then all bets are off, I think we covered that in the tyre choices thread
Around a corner I'd agree with you, but your typical motorway emergency stop I'd agree with Zak - much lower mass + much lower chance of aquaplaning due to thin tyres. Modern Corsas have also sorted out high speed stability.I don't really like Mercs but...
Really not sure I can agree there, having driven my mum's Tigra quite a lot (which is a Corsa in drag IIRC).
Not all suspension is the same, not all ABS is the same, so I would expect the Merc to keep the tyres in better contact with the tarmac and braking closer to the tyre's limit of ability. I would also expect it to have better visilbility and be less susceptible to cross winds, because that is part of what you are paying all that money for.
Yes if the Merc had rubbish tyres then all bets are off, I think we covered that in the tyre choices thread
In snow it's even more pronounced. My parents have a Merc and a Corsa, so were able to do the exact comparison last winter - conclusion was the Merc couldn't go anywhere, but the Corsa was absolutely fine.
Zak33 (16-10-2011)
True, but a lot of tits carelessly changing lanes.
Britain's big problem isn't that the roads are too fast or too slow. The problem is people not leaving adequate stopping distance. If the limit were 120, there'd still be someone in a BMW buzzing the car in front because they want to do 130 - and if the car in front needs to break, because of the "buz them next to the bumper" attitude of most drivers, the accident goes pear shaped.
If the British could be trusted to leave safe distance between them and the vehicle in front, such that an emergency doesn't mean a crash, then I wouldn't much care what the limit was.
Zak33 (16-10-2011)
I would have to agree modern cars are perfectly capable at cruising along at 80mph perfectly safely, even our little Ford KA cruises at 80 all the time. (that's the speed limit on the highway near us)
But at the same time I would agree that drivers are not.
They need to seriously look at driver education before they start looking at raising speed limits.
Hell in the UK learner drivers are not allowed on the motorway so they are never given the opportunity to learn proper motorway driving before they get their licence, sure they are allowed on dual carriage ways which are the same speed but the environment is massively different.
I think they need to bring in the same type of system they use here as far as driver education goes.
There I can take a friend out and teach him to drive and then he can take a test and as long as they reach a minimum level of competency they get a licence. this minimum level is open to interpretation by the examiner.
Here everyone that wants a driving licence MUST take professional driving lessons and driving instructors MUST be government approved. There is none of this out bombing around with your friends because one of them has had his licence more than 2 years.
While this system might make it financially more difficult for some people to get their licence, costs about 1200 Euro after everything is paid for, it also means that the quality of driver being let loose on the roads is substantially higher than in the UK
I read that a lot (and I'm not inclined to disagree based on what I see daily). However, the road safety stats for the UK are almost the best in Europe, so something does not compute with the general assessment.
iirc it's something stupid like less people die in road collisions than do in falls.
Perhaps it is the Dunning–Kruger effect?
lol, had forgotten about that. Does explain a lot on our roads
Snow is not more pronounced, its just different. Water channels in the tyres don't help, really skinny tyres that cut through the snow down to the road are better than wide ones that spread the load. Having said that, we did a lot of miles around south Wales in the last severe snow with no problems in my wife's 3.2l Alfa GT (~1500kg, wide tyres, but the fwd helps).
In rain or dry I'm not saying it is impossible for a small car to brake well, just that every one I have driven has been cost reduced to the point that they just don't.
We're too busy being in traffic jams to die in high speed crashes?
I don't know, but the facts do not sit well with peoples (including my own) general opinion.
Perhaps it is simply that a bad driver sticks in your mind (I still shiver at that woman I saw the other week hell bent on killing the biker beside her)...When I consider for me that seeing one utterly shocking piece of driving every day for me...that would still only be a fraction of a percent of the drivers on the roads. And I see it more like twice a week. In thinking about it, that's probably < 0.01% of the drivers I encounter are tools.
Bad things stick in the mind, all the rest gets ignored and forgotten about.
Absolutely.
Whilst I'm lucky not to have encountered any absolute lunatics on the road, the 1% of people willing to take unnecessary risks (overtaking far too quickly, using mobile phones, etc.) do stick in the mind.
An 80mph speed limit on the motorway will not make these kinds of drivers change anyway, so I personally see no harm.
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