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You can achieve up to a 20% fuel saving by driving at 60 rather than 70mph. You also produce 20% less carbon dioxide.
and i know thats good news for you trig ya tight fisted sod
Huh, you gettin me confused with someone else m8, I aint tight fisted and I dont pay for my own pretol work pays for it all
jammy sod. how much petrol free petrol do u get a year?
**edit** in pounds(£) not litres**
True to a point - the problem is that we live with a "just in time" mentality - there is little point in having huge stores anymore, as it's cheaper to have it delivered just in time.Originally posted by Big RICHARD
If the rail system worked properly then putting the majority of goods on to trains would reduce traffic congestion immensly.
You could argue that if the rail system worked properly or we had a decent public infrastructure, then we wouldn't have half the traffic on the road. However, most of us feel safely cocooned in our own little world whilst in our car - it gives us a sense of freedom and independence.
For the majority of people public transport simply doesn't work - it costs too much and adds too much time onto their journey.
So the government's have tried to price us off the road - through increases in taxes, speed fines, spiralling insurance premiums and cogestion charges.
Does it stop us? Nope. Why? because the alternatives are hopeless.
Even if every single journey made by public transport was 10p, there would still be congestion. People would initially all try public transport - which would then collapse due to 20 years of lack of investment.
My point? errrr.... get used to congestion. Improve your stereo, get comfier seats, Set off earlier. The roads are only going to get worse, because the governments don't care - the only thing they care about is your money, lining their pockets.
Umm, i put about £70 a month in....
I'm not so sureabout the time argument but the cost one is, for me at least, indisputable.Originally posted by Jiff Lemon
For the majority of people public transport simply doesn't work - it costs too much and adds too much time onto their journey.
Example.
Trip to inlaws by train. 1 hour journey. Last ticket I bought £36. Total cost for me plus wife = £36+£36+£4 = £76.
The £4 is taxi to the station - it's too far to walk while lugging luggage. Oh, and the father-in-law picked us up at the station, involving him in a 30 mile round trip and therefore more cost, even though I didn't pay it.
By car ..... 110 miles each way. 220 miles. On that journey I average 32 MPG ( and that's in a Motorsport BMW). 6.876 (call it 7 ) gallons at, oh, £3.50 a gallon = £24.50. Even if you allow for other variable costs, like wear and tear, tyres etc, it is still MASSIVELY cheaper by car.
And I get to sit comfortably in leather recliners, listening to the stereo and not have to lug my cases on and off the train, etc.
The only disadvantage of driving - the hassle and stress of busy roads. So, periodically, I DO still go by rail - as I did a couple of weeks ago. But the COST of the rail journey - OUCH!!!
I am certain about the time argument. Trip from Loughborough to Sunderland (when I was at uni):Originally posted by Saracen
I'm not so sureabout the time argument but the cost one is, for me at least, indisputable.
Friday evening, 4 pm
Left Loughborough uni by taxi because the station is on the other side of the town (not really accessible to most of the townspeople). Got on train to Chesterfield. Change at Chesterfield, train is over an hour delayed. Wait for 1.5 hours in Chesterfield. Get on train and crawl all the way to York, stopping just outside York for 1/2 an hour. Stop at York and stop in the station for far too long (about 20 mins). Eventually get to Newcastle to find that the trains aren't running to Sunderland, get on bus replacement service and arrive in to Sunderland at 11:45.
7 3/4 hours to Sunderland.
About a year and a half later I drove from Newcastle to Loughborough. Took me 2 hours door to door. Was cheaper.
The trains most definitely do not work at all.
Originally Posted by Saracen
Too right, my journey costs in excess of £32 for a single trip to work, two trains and a bus each end. It's about 40 miles, and around £5 in fuel. I know there are more costs involved, but it's astronomical. There's a guy who worked it out penny for penny here:
cheaper by car
He reckons that if you use a Renault Clio 1.2, his journey go's from around £8 for a train and bus, to around £3 including tax, insurance, MOT, etc.
In an age where the government and media are attempting to become more ecologically friendly, how come it's so much more expensive to get public transport. Shouldn't it be the other way round?
My journey takes 2 hours on Public transport, and 1 hour in my car, and it is so much cheaper by car.
On the time front, I work at an out of town business park - you know the sort, a big sprawl of office blocks and light industrial units. I used to travel from just outside central Preston to work by bus. Bus to town centre, bus out from town centre to industrial park by way of Ulan Bator. At least one hour each way and a fare of about £5. By car? 15 minutes up the M6. Plus the sprog rides free.
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Sorry, that was me. I'm new to forums, still learning the ropes, didn't realised it was an old thread.
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