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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    I never did come forth with my reasons.

    But I voted HD-DVD. Most of the reasons are well covered. Here are my main two:

    1. BD+
    2. They can't spell Blue.
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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    I like reason 2

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    you never did follow up on this.
    I was thinking the same thing this morning.

    Love how the BD camp reported 93% of the market sales fr last week, when in fact a huge chunk of them were freebies given away with 1080p screens! Not saying the HD-DVD camp wouldn't do the same thing mind..

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    Voted for Blu-ray just because I've got a PS3 and its so easy to rent from films from Lovefilm watch them and send them back. There is no way I would ever buy any type of DVD again as within a year they will all be out-dated.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    For me i want HD-DVD as the price vs Performance is better.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    I can't vote for HD-DVD. It's a perfectly adequate standard, and adequate replacement for DVD, but I don't really mind if it wins over any other equivalent standard. It's region-free, hi-def, has what I would consider basic evolutionary features, such as PiP and online connection, and has had its standard sorted out for years.

    I don't want Blu-Ray to win because of all the problems they've had and are continuing to have. It's still an inferior standard to HD-DVD in every aspect apart from GB-per-layer and studio support.

    So I'm not going to vote in this poll. It wouldn't be right to give HD-DVD credit for Blu-Ray not being as good.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    actually, i would like to retract my vote (if i can) and vote for a new option. Flash Memory!!!! Its inevitable I mean flash is almost indestructible, non-volatile, read speeds can be higher, runs from a universal port and storage space is much higher (as time goes on price falls). I am not saying its the winner atm but it may well be over time.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by gurpz1 View Post
    actually, i would like to retract my vote (if i can) and vote for a new option. Flash Memory!!!! Its inevitable I mean flash is almost indestructible, non-volatile, read speeds can be higher, runs from a universal port and storage space is much higher (as time goes on price falls). I am not saying its the winner atm but it may well be over time.

    Solid State Media vs Downloaded vs On Demand- The format war to come!



    EDIT: Should have mentioned that if any of the above mediums were mature in delivering movie content, where I paid for it once and could play what I bought whenever I wanted (like you would do with optical media), then there is no way I would ever bother with HD DVD/Blu-ray.

    Where On Demand is concerned it would be great, if the movies you purchased from play, amazon etc were collated and displayed seamlessly on your TV. Then you would just pan through your movie archive, select a film, which takes you to the films menu screen, much like a current DVD from where you can then select what you want to do.... Either play the film, play the extras or fiddle with the settings before you play the film. I can imagine in right now, I think it would be great if the infrastructure and resources were there to provide it.
    Last edited by Dorza; 01-02-2008 at 12:44 AM.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    or how about this from SanDisk a year ago
    SanDisk to deliver write-once flash: Digital Photography Review

    In an announcement today Greg Rhine, head of SanDisk's consumer business talked about introducing a 'new category in the middle of the year: a read-only memory card'. This new flash card is using a technology which SanDisk are calling '3D memory' which we presume is based on the Matrix Memory technology which it acquired in 2006 for $250m and we first reported on in 2002 at PMA. These write-once cards are likely to be very cheap but have the advantage of very long term storage (100+ years).

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    It's very interesting that today of all days, somebody comes into here and mentions flash memory as a media distribution format.

    Because, my tutor (and lecturer for a unit I'm taking right now - Systems Integration) mentioned the exact same potential scenario -> the high-def disc formats being eclipsed by flash/solid state memory in the years to come.
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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    flash memory has been on my mind since it was released, blu ray and hd have nothing on flash and ssd

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    The huge advantage of flash based distribution is that it really removed the format war altogether.

    So what if you have the equivelant of movies being sold in both SD, MS and CF? Multi readers are no more expensive than single readers really. No like having two blue laser pickups in a unit.

    And actually, it would make a lot of the arguments for ripping disks redundant. You want to rip a DVD so you can play the film on your PMP. well with flash based distributiion, you just insert the card into the built in memory slot, or USM port etc. Just play the content as the living room player would. job done.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    I think the question is, are optical media inherently cheaper than flash storage. Flash drive capacity will keep increasing while the costs decreasing for years to come. But so will BD/HD-DVD media.

    If optical media will always be cheaper (it currently is based on what consumers can by, 25GB BD-R is about £7 and 15GB HD-DVD-R £6 in SvP, whereas 16GB of flash drive/SD is in the region of £40), then will studios be willing to subsidise the cost to make the price of a HD title stored on an HD-DVD the same as one on a 16GB flash media?

    This kind of reminds me of Cartridge vs CD (I remember that some game studios were not particularly keen on the costs of the cartridges versus CDs during the N64/PS/Saturn days). Granted, modern flash drives are quite different from old console cartridges, and I won't rule out the possibility of flash media becoming a future standard. But I am pretty sure that this generation is pretty 'safe' as the costs of flash is still not low enough to compete.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    I see what your saying, and agree that the current generation is safe for the moment, but I don't think either format will have the same longevity that DVD has had and continues to have (it is still whooping HD's ass where sales go). There are too many other mediums emerging. These other other mediums will mature, and mature quickly; I've already come across software being sold on a USB stick, so why not a film? The cost of solid state storage will come down dramatically, in the years ahead.

    I remember that it was only 3 or 4 years ago that a 512MB USB stick cost around £45. These days you can get 4GB for around 12 quid and £41 these days can buy you 16GB. 3 years ago something with 4GB of storage would have cost a fortune, well over £150 id imagine if not over £200. I don't know if you could even get 16GB 3 or 4 years back.

    Though I'm talking about flash storage, I ultimately think that everything will be downloaded on demand (as I tried to explain in my other post) when the infrastructure and resources will allow for it.
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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    HD DVD. I will get a blu ray drive, but I view the digital rights management in blu ray as hostile tbh, and obviously a revenue generator for the main film companies, above the paid product.

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    Re: So which format would you like to win?

    Well it's looks like HD-DVD is actually losing. Warner have ditched HD-DVD and will exclusively support Blu-ray from May. It was also confirmed that their sister studio New Line Cinema will be following suit.
    It has been said that this was the main reason why the HD-DVD promotion group canceled it's press conference at the CES in Las Vegas.
    Warner's explanation of why it switched: "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger".
    So that means Universal and Paramount are the only big studios left in the HD-DVD camp, and are they also considering defecting...
    Michael Bay has also said "My films finished in Blu-ray are better", which means he's backing Blu-ray, and on his site Michaelbay.com he accused Microsoft of "handing out 100million dollar cheques to studios just to embrace HD-DVD".
    And also Vivid (massive porn film studio)are going Blu-ray.

    I also like the sound of sony's plans to have on every Blu-ray disc a psp-formatted standard definition version of the film which can be downloaded from Ps3 via USB cable!


    yay Bladerunner on Blu-ray!!!!!

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