The Matrix - Revolutions

[joshwa]

saw last night.

i liked it, but was disappointed. i suppose i expected more. it's as though they're back where they were before the 1st matrix.

questions-
why did agent smith have so much power? why couldn't "the matrix" just reset itself back to normal - why did they "need" neo to sort agent smith out? (or was that just a plot to get rid of neo?)

the train thing - moves what from where to where?

near the end - why couldn't neo just go to agent smith - "no!" and just stop him, destroy him, like he did in the first film?

is neo still alive?

[Platinum]

I think a lot of people were expecting to much from this film, the film was ment to be a 2nd part to reloaded not a entirly new film, it was supposed to run through the process of what had been set out on reloaded which i think it did very well, like i said earlier the ending will have people talking about the film for years to come which is genius i think.

Oh and why couldnt neo just say no to smith? well the smith in revolutions is a lot different to the smith in matrix, he is just as powerfull as neo hence why the matrix itsself couldnt stop him.

Bit cheesy though the end where smith takes over neo and then the matrix plants some kind of virus to destroy smith.

the ending sort of reminded me of Total recal where they never knew for sure if they were in the real world or not

[directhex]

Originally posted by www.josh.org.uk
saw last night.

i liked it, but was disappointed. i suppose i expected more. it's as though they're back where they were before the 1st matrix.

questions-
why did agent smith have so much power? why couldn't "the matrix" just reset itself back to normal - why did they "need" neo to sort agent smith out? (or was that just a plot to get rid of neo?)

This is where it'll annoy people, because it's basically theological mumbo-jumbo. Neo's a proverbial "saviour". The Force is kickass strong in him.

The Matrix is an autonomous system. Notice that it needs Agen programs to enforce things - it can't just make troublemakers' heads explode. If you have a virus, you don't just "fix it", you try & use a program to fix it. It's not a simple "format" situation, as all the humans plugged in would die & then the machines would be fecked - hence the need for one hell of a kickass antivirus app to go in & sort out the problem.

the train thing - moves what from where to where?

Autonomous programs from Machine-controlled sections of The Matrix (wherever the Agent programs are stored, for example) to the far less regulated parts (probaby piggy-backing on a few unregulated human brains).

near the end - why couldn't neo just go to agent smith - "no!" and just stop him, destroy him, like he did in the first film?

cos it didn't work, remember? Plus there were 4 billion copies of Smith to worry about. Smith is the anti-Neo. His nemesis. An attempt by the matrix to balance things. Remove one large factor from one side of the equation, the other gets removed to compensate. Hence as long as Neo was still loose, Smith would still be loose.

is neo still alive?

no. but after x number of years, when the war starts again, someone nuch like him will take his place. the irony of "everything that has a beginning has an end" is that it doesn't - it's a cycle.

well that's my understanding of the film anyway. i enjoy films which leave you guessing after the end - Twelve Monkeys is great for that. Overall I must say I really enjoyed it - now to get DVD #3 and watch all 3 films in one sitting ^_^

[jack]

After a day or so of thinking about this reading coments made here and else where i have to say!

That its starting to grow on me

will have to see it again to get the idea better,
IMO i think that reloaded should have ended at the battle of zion and then revolutions starting with neo's quest! that way focus would have been more concentrated on the important facts of the film! we were amazed at neo's ability to stop the sectinals in reloaded only for it to be not such a big thing in revolutions

The biggest disapointment was the b cast actors that just filled in the gaps, it was a waste and focus should have been more on the main important ppl

And WTF happened to them ghost brother's from reloaded did they die!!! cant remember that happening

[5lab]

i honestly thought it was good, no dissapointment here, and real easy to understand

[Number5]

Not something I plan on seeing, my m8 said it was shiZa and most reviews Ive now read arent all too promising. Might go n see Finding Nemo instead!

[Knoxville]

I'd go and see it if only to form your own opinions tbh, i never trust a review

[PHTC]

I totally agree with directhex about the explanation of whats going on, i had to explain it all for about 10mins to the people i went to see it with.

Personally i thought it was really good, on par with the second but not as good as the first.

But still a top film. And im definately gunna buy the trilogy

[steve threlfall]

Originally posted by jack
After a day or so of thinking about this reading coments made here and else where i have to say!

That its starting to grow on me

will have to see it again to get the idea better,
IMO i think that reloaded should have ended at the battle of zion and then revolutions starting with neo's quest! that way focus would have been more concentrated on the important facts of the film! we were amazed at neo's ability to stop the sectinals in reloaded only for it to be not such a big thing in revolutions

The biggest disapointment was the b cast actors that just filled in the gaps, it was a waste and focus should have been more on the main important ppl

And WTF happened to them ghost brother's from reloaded did they die!!! cant remember that happening

The twins apparently died in the explosion in the highway scene when morpheus sliced the car with a katana, it flipped and then he shot the fuel tanks

The end dissapointed me as imo nothing could ever live up to the original. Also Neo Trinity and Morpheus were heardly in it

[TiG]

A few things, I enjoyed the film, i didn't come out with the superb buzz of the first film, but then again it was so far ahead of its time when it came out (imo anyway).

Of course they felt like they had to better the cgi in the next films and i think they've done a pretty good job.

The ending well wtf do you expect?, matrix has been a very big earner for the studios why would they want to end it there?.

i think there are some excellent points made by DirectHex on here earlier and my view is that some people miss the deeper meanings hidden but yet very obvious through out the film.

I really want to go see it again...

TiG

[bertie]

Just been reading through this thread and found several spoilers
*cough* directhex *cough*

Can you try and keep spoilers out of this thread

[eldren]

Edit: ** Spoiler-ish, skip if you haven't seen the movie **
Only saw your post, bertie, after I posted. Soz. :/

Originally posted by directhex
no. but after x number of years, when the war starts again, someone nuch like him will take his place. the irony of "everything that has a beginning has an end" is that it doesn't - it's a cycle.

Indeed. But, seeing as Smith has overwritten the minds of all those inside the Matrix with his own program (Effectively making them him) and merged his program with the other programs in the Matrix (Meaning he gets to keep the program's abilities, like those of the Oracle), how was it that everything was restored after Smith was gone? I'd say because the machines keep backups of the entire Matrix and the minds of those in it. Why? Because it's happened before. As you said, a cycle.

[Anders]

I found Revolutions excellent. I would like to know what people feel was not wrapped up in the film? Just like The Architect’s equation I felt the film balanced everything off nicely with an explanation. I personally found the battle scenes epic and exciting. A quarter of a million sentinels, etc. pouring in and massive APU thingys walking around, what more did people want?

I have heard other people say Morpheus was not in the film much, what? He was in the film all the way through. I suspect one reviewer said this somewhere and some people copy what was said just to be critical.

I feel many reviewers simply did not listen to what the characters said. I saw one review, admittedly on GMTV so it is not exactly intelligent TV, but still a lot of people watch it, and their reviewer complained (amongst other invalid points) that only one Agent Smith fought Neo. Well duh of course, he clearly did not listen to what Agent Smith said nor understand about the Oracle's powers. During the film The Oracle (especially) and Agent Smith say some really important things that explain a lot. I am trying not to spoil things here so I hope what I have said makes sense.

I would recommend re-watching the first two before going to see the third as it is after all one big story.

I am glad that I only noticed one obvious CGI person in Revolutions compared to the numerous in the Reloaded. I am sure there are more that I did not notice, but then I would rather not notice them, if you see what I mean. I do not understand why they used the CGI really when it looked so poor. I suppose new forms of special effects have to start somewhere and look at bit naff before they can improve, e.g. Arnie’s face cutting scene in Terminator.

[steve threlfall]

Ok anders in comparison to reloaded, morpheus was hardly in revolutions. In the scenes he was in he played second fiddle to captain nairobi (who dissapointingly didnt get naked in either movie ) He didnt seem like morpheus- possibly deliberatley- his faith in the prophecy shatterd by the war not ending in reloaded.
He just didnt seem as in control as the previous outings. Neo and Trinity have no involvemnt in the battle for Zion and when smith fights neo on the ship he get his ass kicked

The cgi was amaizing imo. I loved the film its just it was a little dissapointing in places probaby becasue it couldnt possible live up to the original.

It certainly seems as though more matrix movies are on the cards.

I was very dissapointed when i saw that the actress for the oracle had changed but i have since found out that this is because she passed away during filming rip. She was a great actress and i definately noticed she was missing from revolutions

[Anders]

True, Morpheus is not in Revolutions as much as in Reloaded, but he still in the film all the way through. When I first watched Reloaded I thought Morpheus came across as really arrogant, compared to his all knowing portrayal in the first movie. I do not know whether Morpheus’s character changes are deliberate, I think they are because I rate Lawrence Fishburn as a good actor.

Neo gets his ass kicked by Smith outside the Matrix because Neo has no special powers over humans when he is out of the Matrix. Neo and Trinity are not in Zion for the battle because they have to go somewhere else (I am trying not to spoil the movie here). I would hardly say they are not involved though because of the results of Neo’s actions.

Ah thank you, I was wondering about why the actor changed, that was my guess when watching the film but I did not know for certain. Shame, she played The Oracle brilliantly.

I would say the second and third films simply follow on with the same class as the first film. They cannot blow your socks off like the first one because Matrix fighting, etc. is so widely used now.

[steve threlfall]

Originally posted by Anders
True, Morpheus is not in Revolutions as much as in Reloaded, but he still in the film all the way through. When I first watched Reloaded I thought Morpheus came across as really arrogant, compared to his all knowing portrayal in the first movie. I do not know whether Morpheus’s character changes are deliberate, I think they are because I rate Lawrence Fishburn as a good actor.

Neo gets his ass kicked by Smith outside the Matrix because Neo has no special powers over humans when he is out of the Matrix. Neo and Trinity are not in Zion for the battle because they have to go somewhere else (I am trying not to spoil the movie here). I would hardly say they are not involved though because of the results of Neo’s actions.

Ah thank you, I was wondering about why the actor changed, that was my guess when watching the film but I did not know for certain. Shame, she played The Oracle brilliantly.

I would say the second and third films simply follow on with the same class as the first film. They cannot blow your socks off like the first one because Matrix fighting, etc. is so widely used now.

Yeah i agree mate. The whole bullet time thing especailly has been way overused by every film for the last couple of years.

I understand about neo not having any special powers outisde of the matrix but at the end of reloaded (and in the new film..) neo says something is different, he can feel the sentinels and he destroys a number of them which incidentally (because he is not yet ready) puts him into a coma. So he must have some power outdie the matrix. And also when hes blinded on the loggos he can still see smith through his matrix vision.

Laurence Fishburne is an amaizing actor. I also thought the performaces from the commander (cant remember name) and the captain (?) leading the APU defence were very strong.