4K monitors going cheap - what's the catch?

[KeyboardDemon]

8+2 bit means its a 8 bit panel with dithering to give 10 bit colour - I don't think there are any native 10 bit panels for consumer usage ATM.

I thought that this monitor was a 10 bit panel with a 14 bit lookup table. Though it is debatable as to whether or not it could be classed as a consumer model.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I thought that this monitor was a 10 bit panel with a 14 bit lookup table. Though it is debatable as to whether or not it could be classed as a consumer model.

TFTCentral says its 8+2 bit with a 14 bit LUT?

Well if it is IPS and 1ms I think that 100ish pounds difference with AOC U2868PQU which is TN could be justified. I was thinking about AOC but when I think now it might be a better idea to go for Asus and to get all the qualities/IPS and 4K/ with a 100ish pound increase. After all this monitor should be future proof for at least 5 years I believe.

Well I am interested to see how Freesync will pan out,and it might be more useful with these 4K monitors in some ways I suspect.

So personally unless the need is immediate,it would be interesting to see how it works out.

[KeyboardDemon]

So it must be the enhanced LUT that's giving it a wider gamut than the cheaper HM version, which I assume is 8+2 with a 10 bit LUT.

When will the Display Port 1.2a standard become a ratified standard? I have a feeling when it does there will be a shed load of monitor announcements to follow it and that many of the companies with 1.2a compliant hardware are under some sort of NDC preventing too much information from being leaked out at this stage.

[explorer]

I am getting confused. It seems that all the 28 inch 4k monitors are TN:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/asus-p...Monitor_review

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...-pb287q-review

So I guess we will have to wait to see fast 4K IPS monitor.

[KeyboardDemon]

I am getting confused. It seems that all the 28 inch 4k monitors are TN:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...-pb287q-review

So I guess we will have to wait to see fast 4K IPS monitor.

I think that of the current batch of 4k monitors are all using TN as the main screen technology, however Asus are leading the charge with an IPS panel on the way.

What do you mean by fast? For me fast meant 144hz as in the refresh rate on the ROG swift and 1ms GTG rates, however I have been looking into VESA standards and Display Port 1.2 will only support up to 60hz, in which case getting a 4k screen means that both TN and IPS screens will be on a level playing field in terms of refresh rates, in which case, for screens of this resolution I agree with Cat in that IPS would be the better option. If it wasn't for the 60hz cap then I would look at whichever technology offers the faster refresh rate.

[jim]

I am getting confused. It seems that all the 28 inch 4k monitors are TN:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/asus-p...Monitor_review

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...-pb287q-review

So I guess we will have to wait to see fast 4K IPS monitor.

Yes, they are. You can get IPS 4K, but they're 24" or 31.5" at present - again the info is in the comparison thread I linked to.

Although from what Moose is saying, there'll be more coming soon.

[jim]

...now having read about jim's experiences with his 4k monitor and seen how 4k screens are definitely the better value option I find myself more confused than ever.

Good to know I'm helping!

[KeyboardDemon]

Good to know I'm helping!

Yeah, I was convinced that I would have issues with a 4k monitor and screen resolution when I am using it for Windows and non-gaming related use. Your comments have helped me see that if that is the case I have the option to drop to 1920x1080 or wait for an update for or software updates to deal with the issue.

[Zak33]

I've got 2 TN monitors at the moment.....

does that make me even further behind the curve than I thought?......

or.....



more likely to be quite satisfied with a TN 4k monitor?

What's the difference gonna be?

and YES I game .. quite a bit.

[jim]

Running IPS and TN side by side at the moment, I'm inclined to say it's not as big a deal as we tend to make out.

Yes, on IPS the colours look fuller, and at an angle of 45 degrees left and right, or 20 degrees up and down, they don't screw up the colours (but I only view head on anyway). There's no question that it's better. However, in day-to-day usage, if you're not a pro (i.e. film / camera) and exact colour reproduction isn't important, I'm not convinced it makes a major difference. Put it this way: until I owned an IPS monitor, it never bothered me having a TN. And tbh even now, having experienced both, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as I'd expected.

[explorer]

I think that of the current batch of 4k monitors are all using TN as the main screen technology, however Asus are leading the charge with an IPS panel on the way.

What do you mean by fast? For me fast meant 144hz as in the refresh rate on the ROG swift and 1ms GTG rates, however I have been looking into VESA standards and Display Port 1.2 will only support up to 60hz, in which case getting a 4k screen means that both TN and IPS screens will be on a level playing field in terms of refresh rates, in which case, for screens of this resolution I agree with Cat in that IPS would be the better option. If it wasn't for the 60hz cap then I would look at whichever technology offers the faster refresh rate.

By fast I meant response time - 1ms is something that I do not expect from IPS at present but I will assume 5ms /same as the 2560x1440 models/ will do good enough even for gaming /though some gamers will disagree/. As far as I know you can not go with fast response time and high frequency - it's either one or the other /but I might be wrong on this/.
Both are important for me but since the response time seems to be further behind than refresh rate as far as refresh rate is not less than 60 Hz I would assume faster response time will produce more realistic image.

Yes, they are. You can get IPS 4K, but they're 24" or 31.5" at present - again the info is in the comparison thread I linked to.

Although from what Moose is saying, there'll be more coming soon.

I wouldn't mind 31.5" at all but the price is quite repelling

I've got 2 TN monitors at the moment.....

does that make me even further behind the curve than I thought?......

or.....



more likely to be quite satisfied with a TN 4k monitor?
What's the difference gonna be?

and YES I game .. quite a bit.

Assuming that you will come from 22 inch monitor as in your signature I would presume that you might be positivelly impressed. At least I was in a similar situation /and in my case it was 2560x1440 that got me into this big monitor dream/. All that presuming that you don't mind small icons and text.

P.S. You might need some extra space to watch those monitors as they are really huge.

[KeyboardDemon]

By fast I meant response time - 1ms is something that I do not expect from IPS at present but I will assume 5ms /same as the 2560x1440 models/ will do good enough even for gaming /though some gamers will disagree/. As far as I know you can not go with fast response time and high frequency - it's either one or the other /but I might be wrong on this/.
Both are important for me but since the response time seems to be further behind than refresh rate as far as refresh rate is not less than 60 Hz I would assume faster response time will produce more realistic image.

I have never really trusted response rates as much as refresh rates because not all brands seem to measure this the same way, in order to maintain a 60hz refresh rate the monitor would cope with a response rate as slow at 16ms, this would not be ideal for gaming of course. I doubt you would be able to detect much of a difference between two screens if you were picking between a 1ms and 5ms screen.

I wouldn't mind 31.5" at all but the price is quite repelling

Same, and yes the prices are ridiculous, though I did find myself half considering this as an option earlier today, I was even toying with the idea of using the 12 month 0% BNPL at OCUK and getting either the Dell 31.5" at £1499.99 or pre-ordering the Asus 31.5" at £1799.99 and taking advantage of the double indemnity on the warranty through the finance company, but then decided I would be better off waiting to see how the Display Port 1.2a standards pan out first.

[lightbulbfury]

I'm ok with a TN panel, so I'm thinking about going with a Asus PB287Q . Anyone heard any good things about it? It's ranked high here toptenmonitors.hubpages.com/hub/best-4k-monitor

[explorer]

I have never really trusted response rates as much as refresh rates because not all brands seem to measure this the same way, in order to maintain a 60hz refresh rate the monitor would cope with a response rate as slow at 16ms, this would not be ideal for gaming of course. I doubt you would be able to detect much of a difference between two screens if you were picking between a 1ms and 5ms screen.


Same, and yes the prices are ridiculous, though I did find myself half considering this as an option earlier today, I was even toying with the idea of using the 12 month 0% BNPL at OCUK and getting either the Dell 31.5" at £1499.99 or pre-ordering the Asus 31.5" at £1799.99 and taking advantage of the double indemnity on the warranty through the finance company, but then decided I would be better off waiting to see how the Display Port 1.2a standards pan out first.

Right, that was my idea when I said 5ms IPS as the fastest consumer oriented /i.e. cheap/ monitors as these are the fastest in this class. 1ms is therefore TN. As for the GTG I am aware that the manufacturers differ in measuring but assume that 5ms or faster will be enough for my needs.

With regard to DP1.2a I do not know. I do have a few months to decide. It is just that the prices were so tempting that I started a thread to find out what is the real situation.

[KeyboardDemon]

With regards to Display Port 1.2a the aspect that I am most interested in is the Adaptive Sync feature, if it works as they say it will do it will do the same thing that is currently only available through an add on circuit board with G-Sync monitors and compatible nVidia GPUs, the new standard will work with FreeSync enabled GPUs and should nVidia decide to get behind it, it should work with nVidia cards too. But I would like to see how well this works before I commit to buying a new monitor whilst at the same time I am very impatient.

[Agent]

With regards to Display Port 1.2a the aspect that I am most interested in is the Adaptive Sync feature, if it works as they say it will do it will do the same thing that is currently only available through an add on circuit board with G-Sync monitors and compatible nVidia GPUs, the new standard will work with FreeSync enabled GPUs and should nVidia decide to get behind it, it should work with nVidia cards too. But I would like to see how well this works before I commit to buying a new monitor whilst at the same time I am very impatient.

Freesync will help, but there are differences between G-sync and Freesync. We need to wait for FS to be in our hands, but indications seem to suggest some fundamental differences in the way it's implemented. As much as AMD would like a free version of G-sync, and for people to believe they're going to be the same, I don't think that's going to be the case.

Will the average gamer / home user be able to tell? Will it be worth the cost? We don't know yet