View Poll Results: When you're reading a review, what score on a game says 'average' to you?

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  • 65% or 6.5/10

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  • 60% or 6/10

    9 13.04%
  • 55% or 5.5/10

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  • 50% or 5/10

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    70% for me. Usually a game scoring 50 isnt worth even cosidering just look through pc gamer and ull see loads of games thats score 50 with poor graphics, gameplay, sound or tech issues. Hellgate seems to be getting 70s and the comments are somewhere along the lines of ok but nowt special so 70 for me

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by nichomach View Post
    What it SHOULD be is 50-60%.
    Basically, yea. I would even say 40-60% to compensate for the subjective nature of games. In practice, we don't really see a normal distribution in scores, and +/- 10% is not enough to make up for subjectivity. If a game do not have any glaring weakness, it often get a score around 70%. When the reviewer really hate a game, the score tend to lean towards zero to one star out of 5 (0-20%). But generally speaking, an 'average game' will higher marks than 50%.

    I suppose tests in schools: the class average is often more than 50%. Once again, you will rarely see a perfect normal distribution. Perhaps what reviewers should do, is to keep a database of all the scores they've given a game, and state the percentile of the score across every reviews they've done.

    I'll go with 65-70% in practice (though it depends on the site).

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    pc gamer did it a few years ago i think

    90+ were must buys
    80+ were great games that you'd like a lot
    70+ were good games, but maybe missing certain aspects that would have made them great (maybe really flawed control interface)
    60+ are ok but missing more or several aspects
    less than 60... probably not worth it

    They did tend to have quite a wide spread, all the games that scored more than 90% were truly must haves, and 80 - 90 were awesome games. But maybe the spectrum should have been spread out more...
    That's pretty much how PCZONE score games and I really agree with it. An average game would score 50%, statistically that's correct where as a game 90% or over should really be one of those awe inspiring genre defining games, with 80-90% being a very good game.

    So to answer the question a typical average game should be between 40-60%
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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    I think 7/10 (70% or 3/5) is average, you play a 7/10 game and you're thinking "yeah, it's alright, not bad, could be better though". Most games that are 5/10 are "this game's pretty crap"

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    5.5-6.5 = Average for me

    Just for reference in university 70%+ is considered first class, so saying 70% is just an average score is expecting too much from something imo. Achieving 70% - 80% is a damn good mark in my book.

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Hehe, we'll do our own thing as always but I want to get an idea of how YOU guys and girls perceive scores.

    All will become clear.... one day.
    Gee. What a cryptic statement. I wonder what it could possibly mean?

    Now, where did I put that 'ponder' smiley?


    60-70% for me. Unless I've got a vested interest, I'll rarely purchase anything below the 85% mark...
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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorza View Post
    Just for reference in university 70%+ is considered first class, so saying 70% is just an average score is expecting too much from something imo. Achieving 70% - 80% is a damn good mark in my book.
    And a CAS 9 is a pass. Still, I never quite understood the system. I remember that back at school, 70% was good, but hardly 'first class'. And it makes sense. If you are given 10 maths calculations to do, each worth 1 points, scoring 7 out of 10 means that you almost have 1/3rd wrong. The problem is that when the subject is more subjectiveness (as opposed to maths, spelling etc.) it becomes difficult disproportionally difficult to get a perfect score.

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    To me, its 50-60 percent. (or 5 to 6 out of 10).

    Which leaves games in their 60's to be barely struggling above mediocrity, games in their 70's to be a better than average, and games in their 80's to be "good", and then games in their 90's to be "excellent".

    p.s. And nobody should ever review games with an out-of-10 system, imo. Because 10/10 means 100&#37; perfect which isn't right. No game should ever be 100% perfect. There is always atleast something you can do to improve something. Even Angelina Jolie ;p So with just a 10 point system, it leaves you with 9/10 being the highest mark, which doesn't leave room for stuff being a wee bit better or a wee bit worse. In other words, if you play something absolutely amazing, and give it 9/10, and then you play another game that is even better, you don't really have anywhere higher to go. Or if you play something else which is amazing too, but not quite as good... then it means you can only really give it an 8, which isn't very good. So theres just not enough fine tune-age. (Unless you use decimal points, in which case, you mayaswell just use percentages).

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    And I think there are even some who rate out of 5. Still, the problem I have with percentages, is that there is a larger element of 'pulling a number out of where the sun don't shine'. What makes a game 70&#37; and not 69% or 71%?

    I am actually willing to accept 10/10 as a result of rounding. A game that would've got 97% is deserving is close enough for perfection in my book. I understand there could still be nickpicking flaws, I don't need to be told there is 3% of it.

    My ideal scale would probably be out of 20, or out of 100 but by 5 increment (same thing effectively but might be easier to read for some).

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Average means 50&#37;, that's not a question of perception. Good luck to the few mags and sites that actually implement that.

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by charleski View Post
    Average means 50&#37;, that's not a question of perception. Good luck to the few mags and sites that actually implement that.
    50% is the median on the scale of 100 to Poop. Or 10 to Poop.

    Strictly speaking I suppose it would be 50%, but to Gamers average seems to be the "Good but not great" (at least that's how I interpret it ). Personally I class the crap as 0% -> 50%. Then of the range from Pretty Pants -> Awesome-sauce is 51% -> 100%. 75% is median of the upper half . The lower half isn't considered; as it's all the film based games and other rubbish stuff, right?

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by acrobat View Post
    To me, its 50-60 percent. (or 5 to 6 out of 10).

    Which leaves games in their 60's to be barely struggling above mediocrity, games in their 70's to be a better than average, and games in their 80's to be "good", and then games in their 90's to be "excellent".

    p.s. And nobody should ever review games with an out-of-10 system, imo. Because 10/10 means 100% perfect which isn't right. No game should ever be 100% perfect. There is always atleast something you can do to improve something. Even Angelina Jolie ;p So with just a 10 point system, it leaves you with 9/10 being the highest mark, which doesn't leave room for stuff being a wee bit better or a wee bit worse. In other words, if you play something absolutely amazing, and give it 9/10, and then you play another game that is even better, you don't really have anywhere higher to go. Or if you play something else which is amazing too, but not quite as good... then it means you can only really give it an 8, which isn't very good. So theres just not enough fine tune-age. (Unless you use decimal points, in which case, you mayaswell just use percentages).
    I think Civ II originally got 100%. But that was a truly awesome and epic game.

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    I think Civ II originally got 100%. But that was a truly awesome and epic game.
    that's one of my arguments AGAINST percentage points - it's impossible to say with certainty that one game is one hundredth better than another - game reviewing is too subjective. a coarsely grained out-of-ten or out-of-five system allows you to simply mark a game as "zomggood (10)" or "pretty special (9)" or "good (8)", rather than messing around with meaningless individual percentage points. civ 2 still deserves respect & admiration, as much as any "fantastic" game, so a 10/10 score makes sense, lumping it into a general category for 10/10 games (which you can't do so much with percent)

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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Unfortunately 75% (7/10 or 3/5) seems to be average these days. Percent seems a little too granular for me.

    Perhaps you could use smilies:
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    Re: What score means 'average'?

    Games that I would consider fairly average to dull tend to score 7/10 to 8/10 or 70-80&#37; in most reviews so I voted for 70%. However you would think that 5/10 should represent an average game, 8/10 an outstanding game, 9/10 a game of the year and 10/10 pretty much unobtainable. So, with most reviews there is maybe a slew of 30% to please the publishers. There are so many games released that most of us don't have enough free time in our lives to play less than outstanding games, myself included, so I tend to pass over games that score less than 80-90%.

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