Far cry 2(bad news for pc)

[Hicks12]

I thought warhead was good for £10 the story was short but i didnt expect much, online was a HUGE improvement in my opinion. Each to their own really, i played farcry once and didnt enjoy it but now i got a good pc etc it should be good

[acrobat]

For me, Far Cry 2 is interesting because it's so different - everything i've read and seen online suggest it has very little to do with the first one other than the name. I'm pretty sure i'll see it the same way on Friday when it drops through the door. I think revol68 pretty much summised what's different rather well and if you expand the parameters sufficiently then any (FPS) game fits the hole you shaped.

It has loads of differences, I never said otherwise, so there is no point telling me what they all are. I'm not stupid, I can see it's set in a different country, I know there is no suit, and I know about the pulling bullets out of the legs etc. All I did was compare the last big FPS I played, with the next big FPS I'm going to play, which is hardly illogical seeing as they have so many similarities. It's you who wants to make an argument about them being completely different. And if you read my list, ANY fps doesn't fit that "hole" does it? Does COD4 match that list? Does Unreal3 match the list? Even Stalker doesn't match the list. In fact, name ONE game that matches that list? None do, besides Far Cry, and that's because the two games have significant similarities. Significant enough for me to compare the two anyway, and if you disagree that's fine, but don't go making "bitchy" comments which is what YOU started with this, "Of course if you expand the terms of "same" to include "it's an FPS" then it's correlates nicely.." which is the definition of bitchy.

[dangel]

It has loads of differences

Nobodies 'starting' anything, I just don't agree with you. I'm a little too old for playground antics and that's what this has rapidly become. Twice i've said you're welcome to your opinion and even extended the olive branch in saying no offence intended. That you don't agree is absolutely positively fine - we can disagree amicably, at least in theory.

I'd agree it's just like the first one if all we're thinking of is it being a big, outdoor FPS with vehicles - but that's ignoring story, characters, setting and gameplay mechanics. But here again, we actually agree - there are loads of differences. In fact they could of called this "Desert Kill 2" and i'd still of bought it - but IP sells boxes and there we are. TBH i'm very surprised at how far they've devated from the original - and in fact that's exactly why i'm so keen to play it. I rather hope we both enjoy it either way!

This article rather nicely sums things up: http://communities.canada.com/vannet...es-and-no.aspx

And probably explains why both points of view are quite valid.

[Olmy]

I won't be buying Far Cry 2 for the PC due to the use of Securom. People say they don't care about having it installed, it doesn't affect them. Even if that were true, and the rootkits Securom installs didn't open your system up to serious security vulnerabilities, and the publishers involved didn't treat your right to privacy like a revokable priveledge - I would still be asking what is the point?

Securom (and by extension all invasive anti-piracy measures) are totally ineffective at preventing piracy. For pirates Securom is a minor inconvenience, while it treats paying customers like criminals. I'm not going to get into all the problems caused by Securom, they're well documented on the web, instead I'll just say I'd rather spend my money on games using very limited drm or none at all, such as Left 4 Dead and Fallout 3.

[kalniel]

I won't be buying Far Cry 2 for the PC due to the use of Securom.

What are the last couple of games you've bought?

Even if that were true, and the rootkits Securom installs

What rootkits?

Securom (and by extension all invasive anti-piracy measures) are totally ineffective at preventing piracy.

By what measure?

while it treats paying customers like criminals.

How? I've been playing games protected by secuROM for years and years, and I've never even felt like I was being treated like a criminal.

Isn't it just a bit paranoid to think that just because something has copy protection you are therefore being treated as a criminal? Presumably you won't be playing Far Cry 2 or Fallout 3 simply because you don't have windows, which you wouldn't have if you were worried about copy protection and 'being treated as a criminal'.

[Platinum]

Agree with you there kalniel, I have never had a problem eather, all this "ZOMG DRM" lark is just people blowing it all out of proportion, theres no need to skip buying the game because of it, IT WILL NOT HARM YOUR PC!, imo all this is just pikeys trying to justify theft to themselfs.

[shaithis]

Agree with you there kalniel, I have never had a problem eather, all this "ZOMG DRM" lark is just people blowing it all out of proportion, theres no need to skip buying the game because of it, IT WILL NOT HARM YOUR PC!, imo all this is just pikeys trying to justify theft to themselfs.

and you are an ignorant fool.

[Hicks12]

Ive had one issue with DRM and thats with warhead so far, i somehow got to my 5 activation limit and ea are still making me wait around. Been 2 weeks now, given info asked for online but still waiting and replys take like a week. EA needs to get a proper customer support, atleast other companies care lol.

DRM hasnt really forced me away as i know ubi is better, its bearable.

[Olmy]

Agree with you there kalniel, I have never had a problem eather, all this "ZOMG DRM" lark is just people blowing it all out of proportion, theres no need to skip buying the game because of it, IT WILL NOT HARM YOUR PC!, imo all this is just pikeys trying to justify theft to themselfs.

Wow, I've never been called a pikey on a forum before - I didn't know that I had that heritage, thanks for letting me know! And what about justifying theft? What do you mean? I said I wouldn't buy the game, that does not mean I will pirate it.

What are the last couple of games you've bought?

The last game I bought was GTA 4 for the 360, then Mass Effect for the 360 before and going back further it was Sins of a Solar empire for the PC. Shall I continue?

What rootkits?

Bioshock for the PC has been accused of using a rootkit in its version of Securom. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there, thats the whole point.

By what measure?

By the measure that games like Spore, Bioshock etcetera have been pirated at very substantial rates despite the inclusion of Securom.

How? I've been playing games protected by secuROM for years and years, and I've never even felt like I was being treated like a criminal.

Maybe you didn't notice the fact that many Securom games have to phone home often, limit the number of installs and scan for image mounting software on your pc.

Presumably you won't be playing Far Cry 2 or Fallout 3 simply because you don't have windows, which you wouldn't have if you were worried about copy protection and 'being treated as a criminal'.

Windows needs registration once and thats it. If there are massive hardware changes it just re-registers. Unfortunately I cannot avoid using Windows due to availability of some applications. I would use Ubuntu exclusively if I could play all my games.

[kalniel]

Bioshock for the PC has been accused of using a rootkit in its version of Securom. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there, thats the whole point.

It also doesn't mean it's a rootkit.

By the measure that games like Spore, Bioshock etcetera have been pirated at very substantial rates despite the inclusion of Securom.

You say substantial, but how do you know it's not actually much lower than it would be without securom? It was lower for Alone in the Dark when Atari used online activation compared to other games they'd released.

Maybe you didn't notice the fact that many Securom games have to phone home often

Which ones phone home other than the online activation on install?

limit the number of installs

In accordance to your license which you agreed - that's hardly being treated as a criminal. Are you being treated as a criminal at the sweet machine because it only limits you to 20g of sweets per 20p?

and scan for image mounting software on your pc.

In what way is that treating you like a criminal? They don't throw you in gaol or anything, they're just checking that you'll be able to verify the disk (for disk based authentications). Are you being treated as a criminal if the software scans for anything else, like directX? What about the online actication schemes that don't have disk checks?

Windows needs registration once and thats it. If there are massive hardware changes it just re-registers.

Windows keeps track of each hardware change. Mount too many and you have to re-register. Too many re-registers and you have to ring MS to get more. Windows also rings home every time you want to update it, and will do so automatically unless you tell it otherwise. You also have to reauthenticate each time you download certain types of update.

Unfortunately I cannot avoid using Windows due to availability of some applications.

Right, so if playing a certain game requires securom then why avoid using it? If the game isn't worth playing, just like windows isn't worth using maybe, then don't. No-one is forcing you to.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Agree with you there kalniel, I have never had a problem eather, all this "ZOMG DRM" lark is just people blowing it all out of proportion, theres no need to skip buying the game because of it, IT WILL NOT HARM YOUR PC!, imo all this is just pikeys trying to justify theft to themselfs.

it does harm peoples pc's. what good use is a dead dvd drive that cant read disks anymore or cant burn disks?

What good use is fc2 a few years later down the line where u ran out of install limits and have to BEG ubi to ALLOW u another?

yup drm is blowing things way out of proportion fallout 3 will be played on my pc legitimately and why? because there is no DRM

have fun trying to play fc2 in 2010

[kalniel]

it does harm peoples pc's. what good use is a dead dvd drive that cant read disks anymore or cant burn disks?

Again Josh, where's your proof for that statement?

What good use is fc2 a few years later down the line where u ran out of install limits and have to BEG ubi to ALLOW u another?

Why would you run out of installs?

[dangel]

To be fair, in a few months they'll probably remove activation via a patch.

[kopite]

To be fair, in a few months they'll probably remove activation via a patch.

Aye

HAsnt the limit been removed completely from BIOSHOCK now?

[Olmy]

I don't really feel like arguing this point to death with you kalniel, I think Securom is bad for consumers and bad for PC gaming in general and you don't. I've made my arguments and you disagree. Leave it at that.

[Hicks12]

it does harm peoples pc's. what good use is a dead dvd drive that cant read disks anymore or cant burn disks?

Huh, how can it kill your dvd drive when it allows you to run it off the hard drive?surely using the dvd drive less means it is less likely to break? I havent followed DRM much as its such a little bitchy subject so sorry if there is proof.

Whats the fuss about, EA=suck but this is UBI they dont own the world so they will care more than ea. WHo has needed a new license or what ever? i never heard anyone have issues(apart from me xD) but its a little issue, i already completed the game (crysis warhead) 2 times and the activation ONLY affects single player and for me multiplayer is where the longetivity is at.