Far cry 2(bad news for pc)

[revol68]

Ok guys, arguing over the moral rights and wrongs of this and how affronted you feel about DRM and all that, the next person to start spouting off over how they're going to 'fly the jolly roger', 'install the cracks the pirates use' or other nonsense gets themselves a ban.

IF you feel that strongly about it, vote with your wallets and don't buy the bloody game rather than just adding fuel to the fire driving these DRM and limited install steps that publishers feel they're forced to take.

ahem you moderate a website you aren't the police, as long as no one is linking to torrentz or giving advice on how to do it there is nothing for youse to worry about, unless of course you now think it's a forum moderators job to be a copyright cop. This is like the time you started demanding a poster post pics of his copy of crysis to show it was legit and once again it's you overstepping your role.

If you wish to ban me for this comment go for it but I'd like you to explain how it is hexus's duty to stop people having an honest discussion about piracy and DRM, it certainly isn't based on any sort of legal concern and instead just looks like moralising nonsense infringing upon open discussion.

[Andy3536]

ahem you moderate a website you aren't the police, as long as no one is linking to torrentz or giving advice on how to do it there is nothing for youse to worry about, unless of course you now think it's a forum moderators job to be a copyright cop. This is like the time you started demanding a poster post pics of his copy of crysis to show it was legit and once again it's you overstepping your role.

If you wish to ban me for this comment go for it but I'd like you to explain how it is hexus's duty to stop people having an honest discussion about piracy and DRM, it certainly isn't based on any sort of legal concern and instead just looks like moralising nonsense infringing upon open discussion.

It's probobly also about the legal position of the forum for displaying these comments.

It's also a forum owned by somone, so free speach isn't a right. You have to watch what you say, especially about copyright infringments.

[revol68]

Only problem mate is its not done by crytek THis ones ubisoft on their own. THey got the far cry name and Crytek got the enginer hence the reason Crytek brought out a new game called crysis.

That said I`ll be buying it as well. I have never had problem with DRM and I`m getting sick of ppl using DRM as an excuse to justify their piracy

Sorry I don't use DRM as an 'excuse' for piracy, I feel no need to 'justify' my piracy and if I did I'd certainly have a lot more reasons than DRM, namely, none of this stops the fact that DRM in no way hinders piracy rather it encourages it by actually punishing the very people who buy the games. As someone who is unashamedly pro pirate I am baffled by why companies insist on shooting themselves in the foot with DRM.

I'd also put money on it that a huge percentage of the people getting moralistic about game piracy have got copied films and music somewhere (be that on cassete, vhs, dvd, avi or mp3), and that their selective outrage is rooted more in their fanboy allegiance to video games than any universal ethics.

[finlay666]

ahem you moderate a website you aren't the police, as long as no one is linking to torrentz or giving advice on how to do it there is nothing for youse to worry about, unless of course you now think it's a forum moderators job to be a copyright cop. This is like the time you started demanding a poster post pics of his copy of crysis to show it was legit and once again it's you overstepping your role.

No warez or piracy discussions at all, this includes illegal peer2peer and BitTorrent files discussion

http://forums.hexus.net/welcome-hexu...uidelines.html

It's part of the rules you agreed to when you signed up

It also reflects on them as a forum and a company when people do things like this

Reported your posts anyway

[revol68]

It's probobly also about the legal position of the forum for displaying these comments.

It's also a forum owned by somone, so free speach isn't a right. You have to watch what you say, especially about copyright infringments.

The forum can't get into trouble for people posting about their behaviour, if it could nearly every forum on the web would be in deep legal doo doo. I post on Urban75 which is a pretty big forum community complete with it's own drugs section, and if it forums faced ramifications on such grounds it'd have been closed down long ago, instead it has actually had the ex London Police Commander Paddock posting on it at lenght.

It does sensibly however not allow links to warez because of potential legal issues.

And yes, i'm aware Hexus is a private forum and hence freedom of speech is not enshrined however threatening people who are being honest about their attitude towards piracy with a ban is simply ridiculous and makes the mods look like overzealous prefects. If they want to have that way then they can but like I said they should atleast have the intellectual honesty to attempt to justify such moderation policies and may be also explain why they are so selective as they have little problem with other minor illegal activities being discussed eg people discussing how fast they've got their supped up cars going on public roads, an activity far more morally rephrensible than warez, afterall no one has been killed by a high speed broadband file transfer.

[revol68]

http://forums.hexus.net/welcome-hexu...uidelines.html

It's part of the rules you agreed to when you signed up

It also reflects on them as a forum and a company when people do things like this

Reported your posts anyway

Discussion of warez is generally understood to refer to how to guides, links to torrents and so forth, or atleast it is in every other forum I post on. Like I said there is no legal obligation or reason for hexus to ban people who are honest enough to admit to downloading copyrighted material (of which I bet there is plenty on your pc, be it porn, music, films or even e-books). If Hexus feels the need to shut down honest open discussion about the topic of piracy and DRM then it can, I'd however think it rather petty and more importantly dishonest as it tries to pretend that something that is soo endemic amongst PC users is not actually happening.

As for reporting my post, well that just comes across as really petty, do you think the mods will give you a star sticker or something, maybe FACT will send you a plastic Sheriffs badge?

p.s. Can you honestly say that you have never downloaded or illegally copied any copyrighted material ever? I'd be suprised if anyone on this forum could answer that affirmitively, so instead of people pretending otherwise how about we have a grown up honest discussion about it.

[finlay666]

As for reporting my post, well that just comes across as really petty, do you think the mods will give you a star sticker or something, maybe FACT will send you a plastic Sheriffs badge?

p.s. Can you honestly say that you have never downloaded or illegally copied any copyrighted material ever? I'd be suprised if anyone on this forum could answer that affirmitively, so instead of people pretending otherwise how about we have a grown up honest discussion about it.

No, I don't expect anything either, jsut doing my bit as a community member.

No, I have done in the past, things that were unobtainable in the UK due to them never being released (and a civil crime to import in the case of certain games), however I don't do it now that I work for a company that millions have done that to, I enjoy the job security in releasing a product people buy, as opposed to scumbags like you just taking.

You seem exceptionaly good at avoiding the answer, I would ask if you ever paid for something but I'm sure you would have some wise alec remark about how you do, and your taxes blah blah.

[Andy3536]

The forum can't get into trouble for people posting about their behaviour, if it could nearly every forum on the web would be in deep legal doo doo. I post on Urban75 which is a pretty big forum community complete with it's own drugs section, and if it forums faced ramifications on such grounds it'd have been closed down long ago, instead it has actually had the ex London Police Commander Paddock posting on it at lenght.

It does sensibly however not allow links to warez because of potential legal issues.

And yes, i'm aware Hexus is a private forum and hence freedom of speech is not enshrined however threatening people who are being honest about their attitude towards piracy with a ban is simply ridiculous and makes the mods look like overzealous prefects. If they want to have that way then they can but like I said they should atleast have the intellectual honesty to attempt to justify such moderation policies and may be also explain why they are so selective as they have little problem with other minor illegal activities being discussed eg people discussing how fast they've got their supped up cars going on public roads, an activity far more morally rephrensible than warez, afterall no one has been killed by a high speed broadband file transfer.

As finlay pointed out, it's in the rules, they don't need to justify anything.

It'd be your own fault, those on here that do download have the common sence to keep it to themselves.

Admitting illegal activities isn't all that big or clever

[revol68]

No, I don't expect anything either, jsut doing my bit as a community member.

No, I have done in the past, things that were unobtainable in the UK due to them never being released (and a civil crime to import in the case of certain games), however I don't do it now that I work for a company that millions have done that to, I enjoy the job security in releasing a product people buy, as opposed to scumbags like you just taking.

You seem exceptionaly good at avoiding the answer, I would ask if you ever paid for something but I'm sure you would have some wise alec remark about how you do, and your taxes blah blah.

I pay for plenty of things, that is neither here nor there in regards to the morality of piracy and file sharing of copyrighted material.

I see you've admitted to having downloaded things in the past but have now seen the error of your ways because you now work for a company who 'suffer' from piracy. How noble of you, truely an ethical giant you are, your morality being dictated not by such tatty and tarnished toss such as principles but by a temporal identification of self interest.

Tell me did you consider yourself a 'scumbag' when you were downloading stuff? Can you honestly tell me you have no pirated material on your computer? Have never watched copywritten material on youtube before it has been taken down? Not even a 3min porn clip?

If you don't then congratulations on atleast being somewhat consistent but I'd hazard a guess that nearly 99% of Hexus users have some pirated material somewhere on their harddrives, mp3 players or burnt to dvd and I wonder if you consider them all scumbags?

[finlay666]

I pay for plenty of things, that is neither here nor there in regards to the morality of piracy and file sharing of copyrighted material.

Then why not pay for it now? The hard work of hundreds isn't deserving of a little money from you? How about the transport service? Do you steal your petrol or your bus rides? Why not? You do it over medium value purchases, why not do it for the little ones too.

I see you've admitted to having downloaded things in the past but have now seen the error of your ways because you now work for a company who 'suffer' from piracy. How noble of you, truely an ethical giant you are, your morality being dictated not by such tatty and tarnished toss such as principles but by a temporal identification of self interest.

Actually it was a one off, the game was originally banned in the UK making it's sale illegal. I had no legal and viable means of owning it. Had it been legal to purchase it I would have happily done so.

If you don't then congratulations on atleast being somewhat consistent but I'd hazard a guess that nearly 99% of Hexus users have some pirated material somewhere on their harddrives, mp3 players or burnt to dvd and I wonder if you consider them all scumbags?

No, just you for being pro piracy and taking this thread hugely off topic

[revol68]

As finlay pointed out, it's in the rules, they don't need to justify anything.

It'd be your own fault, those on here that do download have the common sence to keep it to themselves.

Admitting illegal activities isn't all that big or clever

No it's honest, I thought a discussion about DRM and piracy should atleast begin with some honesty, i think it's cowardice and hypocritical to discuss such issues without being open about your own actions and why you do them. It seems to me that at most I'm guilty of having the spine to actually stand by my actions instead of being a liar and claiming I only pirate games with DRM or that I have never downloaded copyrighted material. How can we honestly discuss DRM if people are going to pretend they don't pirate games when infact they do, it just makes the whole excercise futile, a bunch of people lying to themselves and others.

As for it not being big or clever, oh come on that's some low innuendo and frankly absurd, as if anyone would seek to get kudos by boasting of downloading games, movies or music, it's not like I'm some 17 year old boasting about how many pills I necked at the weekend or the 20 skin joint me and my mates made during a massive Halo session.

[finlay666]

No it's honest, I thought a discussion about DRM and piracy should atleast begin with some honesty.

It was only about DRM, you brought the piracy and started raving about it.

As for it not being big or clever, oh come on that's some low innuendo and frankly absurd, as if anyone would seek to get kudos by boasting of downloading games, movies or music, it's not like I'm some 17 year old boasting about how many pills I necked at the weekend or the 20 skin joint me and my mates made during a massive Halo session.

Well you are basically boasting about how you steal from peoples livings.......doesn't make you much better than a petty theif really.

[revol68]

Then why not pay for it now? The hard work of hundreds isn't deserving of a little money from you? How about the transport service? Do you steal your petrol or your bus rides? Why not? You do it over medium value purchases, why not do it for the little ones too.



Actually it was a one off, the game was originally banned in the UK making it's sale illegal. I had no legal and viable means of owning it. Had it been legal to purchase it I would have happily done so.


No, just you for being pro piracy and taking this thread hugely off topic

So basically because i'm honest/consistent enough to actually admit to what nearly everyone with a PC, tape deck, mp3 or vhs player has done at some stage I'm an utter scumbag, whilst those who pirate but hypocritically condemn it or sit in silence are fine? That's a strange morality. Like I said I'm a communist, I despise capitalism and private property rights, it is responsible for misery, suffering, and exploitation on an imaginable scale, seeing millions starve and die of curable diseases whilst having the resources available to put an end to it in order to uphold the 'laws of the market'. Intellectual property is the product of this disgusting system and see's the collective work of thousands of generations of humanity closed off and patented to once again uphold the foundations of an economic system that is a fetter on real development.

To ask me to condemn piracy or to pretend I don't support the free distribution of knowledge and information is to ask me to be a contemptable hypocritical liar at worst or silent coward at best.

What we are seeing with filesharing is simply Basic Marxism.

At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or – this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms – with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure.

[revol68]

It was only about DRM, you brought the piracy and started raving about it.


Well you are basically boasting about how you steal from peoples livings.......doesn't make you much better than a petty theif really.

Oh yeah because you can actually have a proper discussion about DRM without mentioning y'know the very thing it exists to apparently combat, maybe we could also talk about condoms without mentioning sex too?

Asfor being a petty thief, well I'm afraid i'm not stealing off any individuals. In case you haven't noticed the actual programmers don't tend to own their product, they instead sell their labour to rather large companies who own everything the developers make in return for a wage. If a individual programmer quit EA tommorow and tried to take the code he'd written whilst their employee, he'd find himself in legal poo, likewise any Phd or Masters students who tried to publish their dissertation.

I could go into detail about wage labour, suplus value and exploitation but it's late and I want to have a game of FIFA 09, but needless to say I hold that capitalism itself is based on the theft of our time, the worlds resources and is morally rephrensible.

p.s. You keep referring to one game you pirated, are you telling me you own no copied music, be that cassetes, cds or Mp3s, no little two minute porn clips, television series or films?

[ChrisVick]

I've started to play more PC games than console games now and my first and only game which had DRM was Bioshock. There was some issue in the beginning with it not working but I think that only lasted 24 hours, can't really remember, was a while back. I've only installed it once and I uninstalled after completing it to (get some space back). Not really sure what the big problem about DRM is as long as I know it will be supported in the future too, so I can still play the game.

[finlay666]

p.s. You keep referring to one game you pirated, are you telling me you own no copied music, be that cassetes, cds or Mp3s, no little two minute porn clips, television series or films?

Yes

I own 750 or so albums at the current rough count (buy/sell them on a regular basis, most bought cheaply 2nd hand) many seasons of dvd, many computer games on various formats and films, all legitimate. Some of the software I did not buy but got free through legitimate channels such as the MSDNAA and similar.

If I wanted to watch adult material I would do it legally through the many sites that legally allow you to do so.

If I want to watch recent TV I did not see first time I will use the BBC iPlayer or 4OD, or joost.com for short clips for things like Robot Chicken.

I own 2 supercard devices, but I actually dabble in devving for them and other consoles and don't use them for any other reason.

As for condoms/sex. Yes, but last time I checked you could talk about those within the rules as long as it is decent and not obscene