Gaming pc and how i realy want one

[wazzickle]

I've never had a gaming PC. In 2002 when I went to uni my dad bought me a refurbished viglen with all the mod cons that of course had a gpu with it because there was no such thing as on-board graphics yet, that was capable of playing gta III on the lowest graphics settings, since then all my pc/laptop purchases have been driven by necessity & price with no heed paid to gaming capability, and only when I've had a bit more money in the last few years have I actually bought a PS3 & then a PS4 more recently. Up to date gaming is a luxury. If you can't afford it, be happy with phone gaming or other more simple pleasures like sudoku & crosswords which also come with decent mental gains too.

[scaryjim]

... In 2002 ... there was no such thing as on-board graphics yet ...

Really? 'cause the Socket A system I bought in 2002 had on-board graphics. Wow, I was so far ahead of the curve!

Seriously though, mobos with onboard 3D accelerators were readily available in 2002. NVidia released GeForce MX2 mobos in 2001, and Via had stuck a 3D accelerator on a socket 7 mobo as early as 1999 (anandtech even reviewed it). Of course, those solutions were relatively weak compared to the cheapest discrete GPUs, but that was true until relatively recently...

[wazzickle]

Sorry, I presented myself as being sure when I had no right to be. Please read as 'on-board graphics weren't really a thing' or some other hand-wavy statement.

[scaryjim]

No worries, I just couldn't resist since that 2002 computer was the first one I'd bought for myself I stuck a discrete GeForce 4 MX in it pretty quickly!

tbf, on board graphics only started to get interesting in ~ 2005 when ATI and NVidia both released chipsets with DX9 capable IGPs, and only got very interesting in 2008, when they put essentially full entry level GPUs on motherboards (HD3200 in AMD's 780G chipset, and the Geforce 8300 from nvidia). Prior to that the IGPs had been heavily cut down even compared to the cheapest discrete cards. Although very soon after that both Intel and AMD stuck reasonable IGPs into their CPUs, so those were both the first and last motherboard IGPs worth talking about...!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

No worries, I just couldn't resist since that 2002 computer was the first one I'd bought for myself I stuck a discrete GeForce 4 MX in it pretty quickly!

tbf, on board graphics only started to get interesting in ~ 2005 when ATI and NVidia both released chipsets with DX9 capable IGPs, and only got very interesting in 2008, when they put essentially full entry level GPUs on motherboards (HD3200 in AMD's 780G chipset, and the Geforce 8300 from nvidia). Prior to that the IGPs had been heavily cut down even compared to the cheapest discrete cards. Although very soon after that both Intel and AMD stuck reasonable IGPs into their CPUs, so those were both the first and last motherboard IGPs worth talking about...!

Hmm,my first desktop was in 2004 and had a Geforce 4 MX440 in it too,and an XP 2800 and my first proper laptop in 2003 had a Pentium 4 2.53GHZ and a Geforce 4 Go 440(basically an MX440). However,that soon got swapped out for an a 9500 PRO since I wanted to run FarCry.

[Pob255]

I've recently been doing some research atm, you can pick up 2nd gen i5 desktops quite cheaply now, dell and hp, if you can find a mid tower not a SFF unit then you'll find they are standard mATX systems, which means putting in a decent gpu, ssd, upgrade the ram and probably replacing the psu will give you a reasonable budget 1080p system.

eg from ebay sold listing, Dell Optiplex 390, i5 2400, 2x 2gb ram, 250gb hdd, win7pro, sold for £60 inc p&p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Opti...EAAOSwrFtZ6x7w
throw in (new)
120gb ssd ~£50
RX 560 ~£110
2x 4gb DDR3 1600mhz ~£60 (probably get cheaper 2nd hand)
decent 450-500w PSU ~£45
total £325

[Frid Roug]

I love games on PC. It is a pity that in the absence of a budget you have to play games until 2010. I would also like to try new products in the gaming industry ... every time when I save up on the necessary device, it will already go up. I'm certainly for technical innovation. but tired of recalculating the budget every half a year