Poor Veggies. :(

[SiM]

meat tastes good. i'll continue to eat meat as long as it continues to taste good.

regardless of the consequences to everyone else in the world?

[arbitor]

regardless of the consequences to everyone else in the world?

yes.

Im going to be hugley narrow minded here, anyway, the way i see it i have one life, its not very long when it ends its done. The last thing i am/want to do in that time is spend my life worrying about other people. Life is too short to devote yourself to something like this.

I want to enjoy my life in everything that i do, be it drive a sports car,eat twenty cows, shoot eagles with a crossbow (i dont do that) in 60 yrs time i will be gone, so no matter what i do nothing can be changed.

[SiM]

I think the world's starvation problems are far more complex than the examples being cited and are more rooted in political and social problems.. I'm not saying meat eating doesn't impact on this kind of thing (my vegan friends are always telling me about the damage done due to the water used in farming on a world scale for example) but I suggest that at best it's a factor rather than being the sole lynch pin of the situation.......

So what are the other factors (from my 5 min google search, this seems like the main one by far)...

IMO the fact that the poor countries have bad land/weather is not a huge factor as the rest of the world can provide more than enough food for them instead of feeding bred animals.

[htid]

yes.

Wait wait, wasn't I the one who's supposed to not care about humans?

[Splash]

I could throw up the term pesco-vegetarian - a branch of vegetarianism as legitimate as lacto-ovo and lacto vegetarian. They are all forms of vegetarianism with differences in the details.

pescevegetarianism as defined above is a form of pseudo-vegetarianism. ie they claim to be vegetarian, but aren't. Not sure on pesco-vegetarianism, but I like pesto if that helps.

I agree with you however that I've need seen any definitions that includes chicken, kababs and bacon.

Unless you listen to some people who are pseudo-vegetarians who by their definition are vegetarian yet clearly aren't. My counter to your point being that despite the fact that I have provided multiple definitions you keep coming back with the fact that they're not universal, and as such anyone can claim to be a vegetarian despite clearly not being - you can do this with just about any definition, for example

"I'm an atheist, but I believe in God"

that's a whole other can of worms though, and I digress...

[SiM]

yes.

Thats a bit selfish

(by the way I am trying to stir up a nice discussion on the topic - I do realise some of those things I quoted are dated and might be biased)

[arbitor]

Wait wait, wasn't I the one who's supposed to not care about humans?

I dont care for humans vastly, but i care for animals a hell of a lot less.

[Splash]

I want to enjoy my life in everything that i do, be it drive a sports car,eat twenty cows, shoot eagles with a crossbow (i dont do that) in 60 yrs time i will be gone, so no matter what i do nothing can be changed.

To paraphrase

"I'm going to do what I like with no concern for anyone else because at some point I'll be dead, and nobody will care"

I'm not even going to pretend that this is anything to do with Mars Bars any more. That's just a sucky attitude to have in my opinion.

EDIT - To me Directhex's viewpoint is perfectly valid. He likes to eat meat so he eats meat. My issue is with the people who seem to have difficulty with accepting this fact - you don't need all kinds of scientific theory to throw at people, just don't pretend to be something you aren't!

[arbitor]

To paraphrase

"I'm going to do what I like with no concern for anyone else because at some point I'll be dead, and nobody will care"

I'm not even going to pretend that this is anything to do with Mars Bars any more. That's just a sucky attitude to have in my opinion.

That it may be, but its true isnt it.

[99Flake]

Quite frankly, they are bred to be eaten. It isn't doing any real harm except worrying people about how they are treated. Personally I couldn't really care less, I love meat and in fact hate vegetables! I see vegetables as 'what food eats'.

However if people are worried about how they are treated they become vegetarian and don't eat it and that is fine. Won't change my viewpoint though. I completely agree with Arbitor, we have been eating meat for 1000's of years with no ill consequences, why should we just stop because we a morally better now?

[arbitor]

get yourflame suit on lad

[Splash]

That it may be, but its true isnt it.

Evidently in your case. Perhaps it's one of the reasons behind global warming?

[Splash]

Quite frankly, they are bred to be eaten. It isn't doing any real harm except worrying people about how they are treated. Personally I couldn't really care less, I love meat and in fact hate vegetables! I see vegetables as 'what food eats'.

However if people are worried about how they are treated they become vegetarian and don't eat it and that is fine. Won't change my viewpoint though. I completely agree with Arbitor, we have been eating meat for 1000's of years with no ill consequences, why should we just stop because we a morally better now?

Again, a perfectly legitimate point of view in my eyes. You might still want to get that asbestos jacket out, just in case.

[Kezzer]

Quite frankly, they are bred to be eaten. It isn't doing any real harm except worrying people about how they are treated. Personally I couldn't really care less, I love meat and in fact hate vegetables! I see vegetables as 'what food eats'.

However if people are worried about how they are treated they become vegetarian and don't eat it and that is fine. Won't change my viewpoint though. I completely agree with Arbitor, we have been eating meat for 1000's of years with no ill consequences, why should we just stop because we a morally better now?

Perhaps you should get up to scratch on historical cultural differences, and even present-time cultural differences. When you say the word "we", it looks to me as if you're referring to the entire human race.

[arbitor]

I got there before you splash


global warming pmsl, you think i care that england is getting warmer?

that was a joke. but honestly, the way i am isnt shared by many so hence why the world is a better place.

Everyone i am freinds with shares this argument, but thats because there not a load of doo gooder happy people.

[99Flake]

Perhaps you should get up to scratch on historical cultural differences, and even present-time cultural differences. When you say the word "we", it looks to me as if you're referring to the entire human race.

Yes, yes I am. 1000's of years ago we were eating meat, when we were still in caves, Woolly Mammoth Steak anyone?

As for the asbestos suit, I will forgo it. I have just got back from Australia and I am bloody cold and want warming up.