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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Can many planes go supersonic in the vertical? On the way down he only has a mile, so I doubt that would happen.

    But then again the mile was in the vertical - it wasn't even a 'get to speed then pull a mile' - it accelerated in the vertical too.

    That was what astounded me - the fact it could pull to vertical after such an incredibly short period (practically as soon as it's wheels were off the ground).
    yep, it was cool to see it pull vertical like that...shows the true characteristics of the plane!

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Can many planes go supersonic in the vertical? On the way down he only has a mile, so I doubt that would happen.

    But then again the mile was in the vertical - it wasn't even a 'get to speed then pull a mile' - it accelerated in the vertical too.

    That was what astounded me - the fact it could pull to vertical after such an incredibly short period (practically as soon as it's wheels were off the ground).
    re: short takeoff - the eurofighter was afaik designed to have a short takeoff and you only need to look at the Vulcan flight recently to see how a aircraft with a small fuel load can take off quickly.

    I would have guessed that in a steep dive from that height an aircraft could reach supersonic? I dont think the eurofighter had the afterburners on all the way down?

    the reason it can accerlerate straight up is that with reheat the eurofighter's thrust is alot more than the aircraft weights

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Watch an English Electric Lightning from the 50's do exactly the same. They had a rate of climb of 50,000ft per min (as opposed to Eurofighter's 62,000ft per minute). And overall had a higher top speed of Mach 2.2, unfortunately pilots used to keep one eye on the fuel gauge at all times because it didn't have much range. Incredibly noisy Avon engines too.

    I wondered whether the ac could land and still beat the Veyron.

    My claim to fame with regard to the Typhoon is that I wrote the cleaning manual for the reheat nozzle system on the EJ200.
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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Great claim to fame!

    Rate of climb isn't that 'hard' (just maths - more thrust than weight).. it was the turning to vertical at such low height and speed that impressed me. A Lightning would probably just stall nastily if you tried to pull like that at that speed.

    I would have guessed that in a steep dive from that height an aircraft could reach supersonic?
    And not hit the ground in the pull out at the bottom?
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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorza View Post
    When is the repeat? As is the case quite often around here, the BBC channels refuse to get a good signal when there is a slight down poor of rain or a bit of cloud cover. Booooo hissss @ sky.
    Wednesday 7.00pm on BBC2. Don't miss it.

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Aircraft are not allowed to go supersonic below 10,000ft (or at least, not supposed too. It's quite easy to do it accidentally in the Typhoon!), so yes, it was a little bit of a handy cap. Whenever it does a passenger trip it always takes off like that! It's what it was designed to do. Can't remember the exact figures, but can take off within a few seconds (7 I think, maybe 12) and reach a stupidly high height within a minute.

    It was actually fully fuelled on all those runs (there were 4 in all), which is about 5 tons internal. Can't remember if it had a tank fitted or not, and normally we only use the wingtip training ASRAAMs anyway. In fact, at the end when it rolls away, you will see the fuel venting out the tip of the fin (it ain't smoke or water vapour!). A mile is only 6000ft, which in nothing really in aircraft terms. I doubt it would have enough time to reach supersonic speed before turning around. I don't think he used reheat on the way down, but did in the pull up I believe.

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    wow that at fully fuelled is impressive, as said going straight to vertical like that looked impressive. A pity they didnt spend a bit longer on it but it was still cool

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Brucelles View Post
    Wednesday 7.00pm on BBC2. Don't miss it.
    Would have seen it last night but the signal was so dire with the bbc channels that it was just too annoying to watch. Sky or whoever should really boost the signal strength for the bbc channels. They really suck big time when we have bad weather (at least in my area) yet all the other channels are problem free.

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    Eurofighter = Awesome



    Just watching Long Way Down now... Asia is soooooooo cute!
    Amen to that!

    Looks like it will be an interesting series that as well.

    TG was great this week, the Peel segment particularly. I actually researched their cost though and they are £25K !!! Mind you I suppose only 100 existed.

    I think they would make the perfect commuter car for a lot of people. I know I would love one if it was cheap to insure and buy. Mind you some of the hills in bristol would kill it.

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    A Lightning would probably just stall nastily if you tried to pull like that at that speed.
    No and thats all I can say.
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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by YorkieBen View Post
    wow that at fully fuelled is impressive, as said going straight to vertical like that looked impressive. A pity they didnt spend a bit longer on it but it was still cool
    Should be able to do that fully fuelled and armed. The engines produce about 40 tons thrust together whilst the aircraft would only be about 24 tons. Forgot to mention the engines are only 80% rated at the moment as well (increases the life of them and the airframe).

    The Lightning is basically a couple of rockets motors, some control surfaces to point it somewhere and a couple of missiles to fire at someone!

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Great claim to fame!

    Rate of climb isn't that 'hard' (just maths - more thrust than weight).. it was the turning to vertical at such low height and speed that impressed me. A Lightning would probably just stall nastily if you tried to pull like that at that speed.
    Video showing just that here - 1min 50 secs in and it goes vertical after take-off and here at 1min 47 secs and 4nins 50 secs. I doubt it would beat the Veyron in that test but if I ever go to South Africa I'm gonna get a ride in one at thunder city.
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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    I've seen the Typhoon at airshows, and every time it simply blows my socks off, and yup, full reheat + stick yanked back = spec in a few seconds, a truly astounding rate of climb

    I can't wait to see what the later revisions are capable of once they get the thrust vectoring systems installed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    I can't wait to see what the later revisions are capable of once they get the thrust vectoring systems installed


    I can't wait for someone to include them in a combat flight simulator system. Now that would be cracking

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    Re: Top Gear Reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee @ SCAN View Post


    I can't wait for someone to include them in a combat flight simulator system. Now that would be cracking
    Still got win95? Was a great game though.

    http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/1418....html?dpr=1968

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    does ef2000 have thrust vectoring? i cann'e remember!
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