re: short takeoff - the eurofighter was afaik designed to have a short takeoff and you only need to look at the Vulcan flight recently to see how a aircraft with a small fuel load can take off quickly.
I would have guessed that in a steep dive from that height an aircraft could reach supersonic? I dont think the eurofighter had the afterburners on all the way down?
the reason it can accerlerate straight up is that with reheat the eurofighter's thrust is alot more than the aircraft weights
Watch an English Electric Lightning from the 50's do exactly the same. They had a rate of climb of 50,000ft per min (as opposed to Eurofighter's 62,000ft per minute). And overall had a higher top speed of Mach 2.2, unfortunately pilots used to keep one eye on the fuel gauge at all times because it didn't have much range. Incredibly noisy Avon engines too.
I wondered whether the ac could land and still beat the Veyron.
My claim to fame with regard to the Typhoon is that I wrote the cleaning manual for the reheat nozzle system on the EJ200.
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." Frank Zappa. ----------- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." Huang Po.----------- "A drowsy line of wasted time bathes my open mind", - Ride.
Great claim to fame!
Rate of climb isn't that 'hard' (just maths - more thrust than weight).. it was the turning to vertical at such low height and speed that impressed me. A Lightning would probably just stall nastily if you tried to pull like that at that speed.
And not hit the ground in the pull out at the bottom?I would have guessed that in a steep dive from that height an aircraft could reach supersonic?
Last edited by kalniel; 29-10-2007 at 03:34 PM.
Dorza (29-10-2007)
Aircraft are not allowed to go supersonic below 10,000ft (or at least, not supposed too. It's quite easy to do it accidentally in the Typhoon!), so yes, it was a little bit of a handy cap. Whenever it does a passenger trip it always takes off like that! It's what it was designed to do. Can't remember the exact figures, but can take off within a few seconds (7 I think, maybe 12) and reach a stupidly high height within a minute.
It was actually fully fuelled on all those runs (there were 4 in all), which is about 5 tons internal. Can't remember if it had a tank fitted or not, and normally we only use the wingtip training ASRAAMs anyway. In fact, at the end when it rolls away, you will see the fuel venting out the tip of the fin (it ain't smoke or water vapour!). A mile is only 6000ft, which in nothing really in aircraft terms. I doubt it would have enough time to reach supersonic speed before turning around. I don't think he used reheat on the way down, but did in the pull up I believe.
wow that at fully fuelled is impressive, as said going straight to vertical like that looked impressive. A pity they didnt spend a bit longer on it but it was still cool
Would have seen it last night but the signal was so dire with the bbc channels that it was just too annoying to watch. Sky or whoever should really boost the signal strength for the bbc channels. They really suck big time when we have bad weather (at least in my area) yet all the other channels are problem free.
Amen to that!
Looks like it will be an interesting series that as well.
TG was great this week, the Peel segment particularly. I actually researched their cost though and they are £25K !!! Mind you I suppose only 100 existed.
I think they would make the perfect commuter car for a lot of people. I know I would love one if it was cheap to insure and buy. Mind you some of the hills in bristol would kill it.
Should be able to do that fully fuelled and armed. The engines produce about 40 tons thrust together whilst the aircraft would only be about 24 tons. Forgot to mention the engines are only 80% rated at the moment as well (increases the life of them and the airframe).
The Lightning is basically a couple of rockets motors, some control surfaces to point it somewhere and a couple of missiles to fire at someone!
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." Frank Zappa. ----------- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." Huang Po.----------- "A drowsy line of wasted time bathes my open mind", - Ride.
I've seen the Typhoon at airshows, and every time it simply blows my socks off, and yup, full reheat + stick yanked back = spec in a few seconds, a truly astounding rate of climb
I can't wait to see what the later revisions are capable of once they get the thrust vectoring systems installed
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Still got win95? Was a great game though.
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/1418....html?dpr=1968
does ef2000 have thrust vectoring? i cann'e remember!
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