Italian Fan killed by police by 'Accident'?

[Lucio]

You're right Saracen, if they use Glocks in Italy they do indeed lack a traditional safety as the one I had in mind (as is more common on single action automatics like a M1911 Colt .45). However I thought they were still using Berrtta's as previously mentioned.

That said, if the guy had his hand anywhere near the trigger whilst running, it's a moot point really, he still discharged the weapon in a random direction and was in violation of basic firearm safety regulations. In fact, it has to be questioned why he even discharged the weapon into the air in the first place, because I'm sure it's not normal police procedure to fire over the head of crowds! Guns should either be pointed at someone you think you might have to kill or made safe. There's no middle ground IMO

[Saracen]

You're right Saracen, if they use Glocks in Italy they do indeed lack a traditional safety as the one I had in mind (as is more common on single action automatics like a M1911 Colt .45). However I thought they were still using Berrtta's as previously mentioned.

Very likely they do use Berettas in the Italian police. I've no idea, but it certainly would seem plausible, even probable.

That said, if the guy had his hand anywhere near the trigger whilst running, it's a moot point really, he still discharged the weapon in a random direction and was in violation of basic firearm safety regulations. In fact, it has to be questioned why he even discharged the weapon into the air in the first place, because I'm sure it's not normal police procedure to fire over the head of crowds! Guns should either be pointed at someone you think you might have to kill or made safe. There's no middle ground IMO

I completely and vehemently agree with that. If you're entrusted with a firearm as part of your duty you do, in my opinion, owe a very important duty to the public to use it in a responsible fashion, and while I obviously wasn't there and didn't see the circumstances, I find it hard to imagine how this cop's own account can be seen as in any way a responsible use. It sounds more like a sheriff in the Wild West. Firing in the air, well, just possibly maybe in very extreme situations. But unless there proves to be some mechanical fault with the weapon (and I'd guess that's being carefully checked out) then running while waving it about seems utterly inexcusable.

[this_is_gav]

And that's really the same reaction?

As I remember, noit wasn't the same reaction. It was a worse reaction.

My point was saying that the hooligans don't care, they are just looking for an excuse to be violent.

No arguments from me on that one.

[charleski]

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Luckily, my sister's husband's cousin's best friend is the chief designer for Glock, and sent me this to show how the safety really works:


Remember, they're designed to be used by policemen.


[EDIT]BTW Saracen, your sig is still wrong, it's "Nolite"

[Saracen]

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[EDIT]BTW Saracen, your sig is still wrong, it's "Nolite"

Not according to a Latin-speaking (though perhaps rusty) friend of mine.

His comment, as best I can remember, is that "noli" and "nolite" are both imperative forms, but "nolite" is the form of the verb you'd use if it was a negative plural. In other words, if the imperative of "noli" referred to the nothis, you'd be correct in that it was the second person plural of the negative imperative, but as it refers to the reader, in the second person singular negative imperative, it should be "noli". In other words, it's an imperative to the reader, not the "nothis".

As for me, my Latin extends to a few well-known currently used phrases (nota bene, caveat emptor, corpus delicti, mens rea, quo vadis, etc), usually of legal relevance, and that's about it.


Besides, it's a sig. Who really cares?

[TiG]

The chances that any of us could catch Saracen out at something, even a sig is important

TiG

[charleski]

Not according to a Latin-speaking (though perhaps rusty) friend of mine.

His comment, as best I can remember, is that "noli" and "nolite" are both imperative forms, but "nolite" is the form of the verb you'd use if it was a negative plural. In other words, if the imperative of "noli" referred to the nothis, you'd be correct in that it was the second person plural of the negative imperative, but as it refers to the reader, in the second person singular negative imperative, it should be "noli". In other words, it's an imperative to the reader, not the "nothis".

Nolite is indeed the plural imperative, and your sig is directed to all who read the post, not a specific person, so the readers are plural as well.

Besides, it's a sig. Who really cares?

Grammatical errors are the cause of the decline and fall of Western civilisation!

[Saracen]

Ah, but each instance of a reader is singular, and it's just that multiple people, individually, may be reading it. The definition of the reader is in the "te". Still singular not plural second person negative imperative, I'm afraid.

But I must thank and congratulate you, Charleski. If someone had told me that I'd be spending my day today trying to justify which tense of a Latin imperative verb was correct, I'd have thought they were barking mad. Instead, I rather suspect it's me that's barking, 'cos I'm doing it.

Still, you have succeeded in bringing unexpected 'variety' to my life. Thank you ..... so much.

[Saracen]

... Grammatical errors are the cause of the decline and fall of Western civilisation!

Probably so .... but I'll cheerfully concede to having declined and fallen if it'll stop me having to argue about Latin verbs.

[nichomach]

Probably so .... but I'll cheerfully concede to having declined and fallen if it'll stop me having to argue about Latin verbs.

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[TooNice]

Here's a silly question: how dangerous is a bullet fired in the air after it's been dragged down by gravity?

[chuckskull]

Here's a silly question: how dangerous is a bullet fired in the air after it's been dragged down by gravity?

Depends mainly on the size of the bullet, most will land you in hospital, heavier ones will kill you. It happened to a girl in Arizona, which was the cause for Shannon's Law, which means firing a gun into the air is a felony there now.

Still the chances of one hitting someone is highly unlikely.