Does political correctness make you angry?

[Alex Berry]

Heard the latest one?
Prison officers are to knock on prisoners cell doors and address them by their first names to create a better environment and improve prisoners quality of life.
Unbelievable!
I've never been a victim of serious crime but I should think many people who have been victims deserve far better than this.

All vote U.K.i.p. ?
I used too.
And if they had the same support as the B.N.P. , or better, I would still be doing so.
How can I change alligence so easily?
Because people who vote for either party care about returning to an homogeneous Britain as they both do.
It's not because we hate others.
It's because we have simply reached that point, (that point many have already reached, and that others simply have yet to), where our personal quality of life, circumstances, and environment, have become unbearable.
Think about it.
Why suddenly so much support for right-wing (or far-right) parties?
The public are the same people and the right-wing parties are basically the same.
Only personal circumstances change.
And it is those more than anything that dictate your political alligencies.
And as more and more people reach that 'tipping point' whereby immigration and multi-culture, globalisation, the E.U. and 'political correctness', all conspire to wreck people's lives (not through immigrants or their different cultures directly - just the concepts that immigration will create anything but segregation and an over-legistative government) they to will either leave the country, or be pushed into ANY action.

[TimeRider]

Hmm that petition looks just as extreme as anything to me. Brit *is* different to paki, because they are used differently. One is innocent, and one isn't. The petition makes it so people can't use the word "Brit". That would be just as stupid and obsessive and oppressive as all the other bits of over the top PC'ness.

In fact, I'm calling for use of all words, 'free speech' we used to call it. For those of you born in the 1990's, this was when we could all talk without worrying, and we only offended people if we a) meant to, or b) were misunderstood. Asking for a black coffee didn't send people running off in tears, and the black kid at school (although rare), was just another kid.. Okay, so initially he might get stared at etc, but kids find 'difference' interesting, whether it be a kid with green skin, or someone with 3 legs. A time when sheep weren't blue, rainbow, or multicoloured, a time when a gollywog was quite simply a doll that children loved.

Imagine reading a book, if all the people in that book were referred to as they, the person, them... instead of 'he said', 'she replied' etc... In a less advanced society, language might not have developed where there would be a name for a man, and a name for a woman, for a boy, or a girl (of course those 4 words are probably ageist?), or Billy, from Pakistan, couldn't be pointed out as 'the black guy over by the window to people in a crowded room. Language has evolved to make things easier, faster, and more efficient, it helps all minorities, and all majorities (and the people in the middle)

Perhaps from now on we should refer to people as 'entities'? Perhaps we should all go around wearing things wrapped around our faces, baring no skin or identifying features, that way you'd not know if I was old, young, male, female, had ginger hair etc.

PC needs put in order, and that means buried.

Steve!
Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.

[schmunk]

some veiled racism and xenophobia, probably including comments about mealy-mouthed liberals.

Okay Honky, if you're going to talk to your Paki friend(? - probably not), Sambo and I will stay here and wait for the Wop, the Spic and the Jew.

[schmunk]

Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.

I hadn't actually visited this link already, but 19(!) signatures? I almost feel like signing it myself - almost, mind.

You realise that you're going to have to increase your subscription 25x to even meet the political hot potato that is "Petition to: Stop Roadworks In lowestfoft." (sic).*


* I love the way that on this one, the person creating the URL for the petition has seen the incompetence of the petitioner in spelling their own home town, has created a correctly-spelt URL, but has left the petition in its full glory.

[TimeRider]

Actually, I have Pakistani, Indian, Polish, Russian, Spanish, German, US, Australian friends, You'll also find posts all over the internet where I help people of many nationalities, If they're human, and decent people, I'll help em

I have discussed my views with many of the above nationalities recently, and can't find anyone who is offended, in fact they should be proud of their nationality

My petition is to STOP DISCRIMINATION, some people seem to be missing the point, okay, so I'd not expect racists to sign, you seem to be getting mixed up somewhat, shows how bad PC has gone.

To make it clearer:
If you are racist, do NOT sign
if you don't like racism, sign

Of course the petition covers more than just racism, stopping all discrimination is the target.

And just for the record, I am probably the most UNracist person around, people are people, it's how they go on that lets me decide whether to like them or not. Call this 'peopleist' if you like!

Steve!
Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.

[acrobat]

In fact, I'm calling for use of all words, 'free speech' we used to call it.

So if you can use all words, then why are you talking about "punishable by law". Who are you going to be punishing if we can all say what we want? The petition doesn't make sense.

For those of you born in the 1990's, this was when we could all talk without worrying, and we only offended people if we a) meant to, or b) were misunderstood. Asking for a black coffee didn't send people running off in tears,

We can all talk without worrying anyway.. If I ask for a black coffee and someone runs off in tears, then thats great, better they are far away from me as possible. I dont censor what I say when I speak. If you aren't a racist and dont use words like "paki", then you can say what you want. If someone complains at calling a black coffee black or something, tell them to bugger off... That is freedom of speech right there.

Imagine reading a book, if all the people in that book were referred to as they, the person, them... instead of 'he said', 'she replied' etc...

Nobody ever asked for that though. If the character is a he, he is always called he. Same rule applies to female characters.

PC needs put in order, and that means buried.

Steve!
Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.

No. If you want to say someone has ginger hair or is black, then go ahead. Nobody will care, and if anyone complains, tell them to get lost, and rightly so, and most people would back you up. But if you want to make it acceptable for you to use the word "paki", then you are on your own.

[Daymonkey]

acceptable for you to use the word "paki",

Lets think about this word, surely it's just the first 2 syllables of their nationality.
It's like saying calling the jewish "jews" is unacceptable.
People take offense to the stupiest crap and it's due to this offence its said to be discriminative, when in the terms of language it isn't meant too.

Someone says to me "YOUR WHITE"
"YOUR ENGLISH!"
"YOUR A HONKEY"
i don't care, because it's not offensive and never should be, i just dust off my shoulders and say "yes point out the obvious".

[acrobat]

Lets think about this word, surely it's just the first 2 syllables of their nationality.
It's like saying calling the jewish "jews" is unacceptable.

It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not though, its just a fact that people find it offensive, and most times its used, is to be offensive.

[usxhe190]

Lets think about this word, surely it's just the first 2 syllables of their nationality.
It's like saying calling the jewish "jews" is unacceptable.
People take offense to the stupiest crap and it's due to this offence its said to be discriminative, when in the terms of language it isn't meant too.

Someone says to me "YOUR WHITE"
"YOUR ENGLISH!"
"YOUR A HONKEY"
i don't care, because it's not offensive and never should be, i just dust off my shoulders and say "yes point out the obvious".

You have much to learn about other people's sensitivities (and it is not just cultural, it can be anything).

[Daymonkey]

It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not though, its just a fact that people find it offensive, and most times its used, is to be offensive.

So are things such as "you're black" and "ginger".
They can be deemed and used offensively.
You just contradicted yourself surely, just setting your limits as the norm.

[Lucio]

And just for the record, I am probably the most UNracist person around, people are people, it's how they go on that lets me decide whether to like them or not. Call this 'peopleist' if you like!

lol! Sorry I had to laugh but this is one statement guarenteed to cause people to doubt your intentions.

I think there's a good quote in one of Terry Prachett's novels, towards the end.

"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things."


This really is what comes to the core of my objections to political correctness. It's the thought that people would want to retain an idenity so totally different to my own and demand special rights just to protect that identity. For the record, I don't believe in free speech when it's used to mean "freedom of speech without consequences", I believe in people who want to get along with other people. It doesn't mean we all have to think the same way, or believe in the same things but it does mean we have to hold to the same basic principles of deceny towards others and opposition of practices that cause harm to other human beings.

[badass]

Journalists (particularily tabloid journalists but broadsheet journalists aren't much better) are second only to politicians to being the worst kind of lying scum that inhabits this country.
However, all of these lies they spread must contain a grain of truth, and if they can find enough stories to repeat these PC gone mad more or less constantly, then there is a problem. It might be a minor one, it may be more than that. Its certainly not a non existant problem.
IIRC there was a well publicised story across several papers where a survey revealed 75% of bosses banned all Xmas related decorations from their offices in case it offended non christian religious types. I work with approx 400 muslims and their chefs love to cook an Xmas meal (with Happy Christmas pasted everywhere) and we love to celebrate Eid with them.
As said eariler in this thread, it's almost never the "oppressed minority" that complains about Christmas or St george flags, its usually the sad, pathetic middle class types with nothing better to do than feel offended on behalf of others that are not bothered.
There is wqhere the problem lies. Its not the pathetic middle class wastes the time it takes to hear the crap they spout, its the getting offended on behalf of others.
Provided nothing physical is happening and no threats, disguised or not are happening, then it is entirely up to those are in the "oppressed minority" to let their views be known.
By all means, fight injustice when people's safety is in danger, but if its just about them potentially getting offended, then leave them to raise the issue themselves. Its nobody elses business.

On the Paki thing - it has been turned into a racial slur and has no place in polite conversation. Regardless of what it originally meant.

[acrobat]

So are things such as "you're black" and "ginger".
They can be deemed and used offensively.
You just contradicted yourself surely, just setting your limits as the norm.

Nah. Black and ginger I don't think are deemed offensive by most reasonable people. Ginger is no different to blonde or brunette. And if you said, "you're black" to a black person, they would say, "err, yep?". The only people who would be offended by those words, are the kind of people I would actually want to offend anyway, so it all works out nicely =P

[SiM]

Let timerider say what he want... he is free to say what he wants... or make whatever petition he wants...
and we are free to laugh/ignore it

[TimeRider]

lol! Sorry I had to laugh but this is one statement guarenteed to cause people to doubt your intentions.

I had to mention the fact that I'm non racist, as it seems a lot of people on here are confused and don't realise the huge difference, PC and racism are too very different topics, racism however was created/made worse out of PC.

I remember having a conversation with a vicar many years ago (5+) about the way things were going, and everyone assumed I was racist, simply because I want equality? Those same people now agree with me. I hugely respect humanity, and in fact all things nature (or whoever) has created.

in 1923, in Germany, PC was born, that's the origins, and in which direction did Germany go? I'm not going to go into huge details, you have google for that, but 'Political Correctness' as we call it, was born of a thinktank known as 'the frankfurt school', and PC itself was originally created to try and help communism spread. Try a google on 'frankfort school communism 1923', should show up relevant info.

It's the direction we're heading in if we don't do something. MY intentions are to avoid that situation, identity IS important, we should all be proud of ourselves and our history

Steve!
Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.

[TimeRider]

Nah. Black and ginger I don't think are deemed offensive by most reasonable people. Ginger is no different to blonde or brunette. And if you said, "you're black" to a black person, they would say, "err, yep?". The only people who would be offended by those words, are the kind of people I would actually want to offend anyway, so it all works out nicely =P

If they find true comments about themselves, then perhaps they have problems with themselves? Everyone should be proud, it's their actions that make them decent (or not) people.

Steve!
Petition to: Put an end to the discrimination caused by political correctness.