Modern Vertical Takeoff and Landing Fighter Jets

[99Flake]

AFAIK that is true to a certain degree but with the Typhoon, if everything goes it will pretty much fall out of the sky, correct me if im wrong?

If *everything* goes, yes it would plummet like a stone. However the chances of a complete systems failure are so slim.

In actual fact about the only way it could happen is due to combat damage, specifically being riddled with lead, in which case the pilot would probably be shot to pieces as well if it has knocked everything out.

Otherwise it would be a missile, by which time the pilot should have ejected anyway.

And Lee, pilots really shouldn't fiddle with their bits like that. Leads to premature ejeculation.

[Fraz]

reach inbetween your legs and fiddle with the red ended ejection thingy and PMMMMMFPH

theres a time and a place for that kind of thing

Clearly Lee is one of those types who gets off on nearly dying. Just remember to pull that ejector seat lever afterwards though Lee, otherwise it really could be a sticky ending.

[Gerrard]

Ironically, the Typhoon would glide really well. However, for it to need to, both engines would have to fail. No engines, no power. No power, no control (unstable and fly-by-wire)! This is what happened to the Spanish Typhoon DA6 (development aircraft) when both engines surged in 2002. I saw a really good picture of it in the ground, upside down, in relatively one piece, but can't seem to find it online (must be an MoD picture only or something). I personally would trust the fly-by-wire system more than a mechanical one. For a start, there's four systems in the fly-by-wire, but only one mechanical (expect Tornado, which has one of each as pilots weren't entirely comfortable in the 70s of fly-by-wire). It is far easier to find any problems with the fly-by-wire system as it all has its own diagnostic systems, and to test the controls only requires a push of a button and a couple of minutes to watch the computer move all the surfaces. You would have to do a lot more work intensive inspections on a mechanical system. You don't fly a Typhoon, you just tell it where to go. You don't even need to use the rudder pedals in the air, as they computer will automatically co-ordinate your turns for you! (Handy for anyone who has flown aircraft themselves will know.)

I think the UK is still going ahead with the F-35B to go with their new CSV carriers. I know there was some "umming and erring" when the Americans wouldn't let us have access to the software on the jet, but I think the threat of pulling out the £2 billion we would use for development made them change their minds. I think it will be the first supersonic STOVL aircraft in service and will give the navy a much needed boost in aircraft offensive.

Of course, all aircraft can land vertical. Just that they end up as a small crator on the runway!

[Kumagoro]

All of those planes are crap compared to the below. You know I'm right.

Best plane ever

[Guy]

If *everything* goes, yes it would plummet like a stone. However the chances of a complete systems failure are so slim.

In actual fact about the only way it could happen is due to combat damage, specifically being riddled with lead, in which case the pilot would probably be shot to pieces as well if it has knocked everything out.

Otherwise it would be a missile, by which time the pilot should have ejected anyway.

And Lee, pilots really shouldn't fiddle with their bits like that. Leads to premature ejeculation.

Fair point, call me a sceptic, but Id still feel uneasy in something which is designed not to be aerodynamically stable!

[[GSV]Trig]

Most planes these days are more jack of all trades master of none kinda thing's, why have a specific ground attack aircraft, and an air superiority fighter, 2 sets of crew equipment etc when one plane can do both jobs, 1 set of crew etc..
Shame is it means there are lots of aircraft that'll never be replaced.

V Bombers.
Buccaneer
Jaguar
Harrier
SR-71
Tomcat
Warthog

Thats just a list off the top of my head...

[retroborg]

Interestingly enough, after observing these 2 videos it would seem that it can do both take off and land vertically!

F35 JSF vertical take off
YouTube - F35 JSF take off.

JSF - Normal take off and vertical landing
YouTube - JSF - Normal take off and vertical landing

Unless these videos are from two different model variations of the F-35?!

So, to get this straight, is there a model of the F-35 that can both take off and land vertically, like the good old Harriers?

Oh, wait! There is also the V-22 Osprey, but that’s not exactly what I had in mind!
It looks more like C-130.
V-22 Osprey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now that I think about it, the closest I've seen in real life to the jets of the Raiden fighter flipping vertically in Boss fights, is the F-35 it self!
If the F-35 had two engines, it would be exactly the same as the Raiden Fighter Jet!

I wonder if the F-35 creators where fans of the Raiden Series when they conceived the idea?!

[Splash]

Am I the only person who expected this thread to involve a treadmill?

[kalniel]

So, to get this straight, is there a model of the F-35 that can both take off and land vertically, like the good old Harriers?

Well, just like the Harrier, the F-35B can do so provided you don't take any weapons or fuel with you...

[nichomach]

Yes, the F-35B can do a vertical take off, but that's not expected to be its normal operational mode. The Osprey's been a bit of a nightmare to get into service, and so far the only variant that is is a straight transport variant. Mind you, I think an obvious application for the V22 is as a replacement for our AEW Sea Kings - they could operate from short-decked ships like our through deck cruisers, and from the new Queen Elizabeth class carriers even in the absence of catapults (unlike, say, the US Navy's E2C Hawkeye); the thought also occurred that they could provide similar capabilities to the USMC's Tarawa-class assault ships (which are more like baby carriers).

[retroborg]

The F-35 will put the US air superiority roughly 70 years ahead of other nations.
The aircraft will be faster, more manoeuvrable, stealthier and cheaper than the current F-22.
F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So with the F-35, you get air-to-air combat, tactical bombing, air support, VSTOL & VTOL capability, stealth and a carrier version all in one plane. Basically it will make the F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, F-111, F-117, Harrier, Tornado, EuroFighter, Grippen, Russian Sukhoi Su series and a plethora of others obsolete when it's ready.

X35B Joint Strike Fighter
X35B Joint Strike Fighter

F35 hovering
YouTube - F35 hovering

[kalniel]

The F-35 will put the US air superiority roughly 70 years ahead of other nations.

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The F35 is the US/UK's joint cheap export plane. The whole point is they sell it to tons of other nations. And as for backing up such a statement with a wikipedia link..

So with the F-35, you get air-to-air combat, tactical bombing, air support, VSTOL & VTOL capability, stealth and a carrier version all in three planes. Basically it will make F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-111, Harrier, Tornado, Grippen already obselete planes obsolete when it's ready.

Corrected

[retroborg]

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The F35 is the US/UK's joint cheap export plane. The whole point is they sell it to tons of other nations. And as for backing up such a statement with a wikipedia link..

Well, actually I copy-pasted it from another forum!

[Gerrard]

The aircraft will be faster, more manoeuvrable, stealthier and cheaper than the current F-22.
F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So with the F-35, you get air-to-air combat, tactical bombing, air support, VSTOL & VTOL capability, stealth and a carrier version all in one plane. Basically it will make the F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22, F-111, F-117, Harrier, Tornado, EuroFighter, Grippen, Russian Sukhoi Su series and a plethora of others obsolete when it's ready.

Not sure if it is/will be more manoeuvrable than a F22 or the Typhoon (especially if it got its thrust vectoring).
I believe the F35 is expected to eventually replace F14, F15, F16, F18 (probably the last ones to be replaced), A10 (shame ) and Harrier. As was mentioned, it is suppose to be the next most widely exported jet for the western world to replace the F16. Whilst no official decision has yet been made on the Tornado's future (not due to retire for a good 10 years yet), it will no doubt either be the Typhoon or F35. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the RAF's attack aircraft consist purely of Typhoons and F35s in the future.

[Optical668]

I doubt the A10 will be replace for some time as its more of a CAS (Close Air Support) Aircraft for ground forces.

Btw the F14 Tomcat was retired last year.

[kalniel]

I believe the F35 is expected to eventually replace F14, F15, F16, F18 (probably the last ones to be replaced), A10 (shame ) and Harrier.

It's a replacement for the F18 (which was itself a replacement for the F14) and F16 (and harrier/AV8B if it's still in existance). The F22 is the replacement for the F15.

F16. Whilst no official decision has yet been made on the Tornado's future (not due to retire for a good 10 years yet), it will no doubt either be the Typhoon or F35. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the RAF's attack aircraft consist purely of Typhoons and F35s in the future.

That's the plan as far as I'm aware - basically use Typhoon for everything and maybe get some F35s for the navy and CAS.