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    Re: Graduate Jobs-Engineering

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    90% of the time I get offered an online test from my application, and time after time I get rejected because of these ''psychometric assessments''. I can do the work, I can think on the sport, work round complicated problems and do everything I know i will be expect of in a job, but you ask me to project the growth in telecommunications in India between 1999 and 2020 based on a 10% increase in bull**** and stick a 30sec time limit on it and I just flounder.

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    sorry, just needed a rant. The search continues...
    I've done a few of them in the past, and yeah they definitely suck. I find the insinuation that your ability to succeed in a certain career path is defined by your numerical and verbal reasoning under time pressure a little bit ridiculous.

    Obviously you need intelligence to succeed, and I would sincerely doubt anyone who suggested that wasn't the case, but in the end, the way you apply yourself to tasks, your attitude and inspiration is always going to come out ahead of calculating compound interest once you're in there. At the end of the day, getting your foot into the door is often the hardest bit... from then on you've got a good base that you can work from.

    I wouldn't worry too much about them - I know people who work their arses off trying to improve, but the tests just aren't designed that way, it's not a test of experience... and I know people who get mates round to cheat on them as well, which I don't think is much of a tactic either. In fact a girl I spoke to who cheated on one of them did abysmally, despite her and her mate both getting solid A grades at A level maths. Quite surprising actually, I can't help but think having someone there to help weighed her down to be honest.

    Last job I missed out on I did something similar to you, very final minute of my very final interview and they asked me "How did you feel when you walked in this morning" (it was an assessment day with other applicants to the firm), and in truth I'd found myself amongst a group entirely made up of final year uni students, uni graduates and people already in industry (not rubbish either - Oxford Uni, LSE Uni, Microsoft I remember), compared to me, half-way through my A-levels. So of course I began my answer truthfully with "Intimidated", and realised about half a second later I really shouldn't have said that, leading to minor panic, which made my answer get even worse. No surprises when about 2 weeks later I got a "Thanks but no thanks letter". It's so unbelievably frustrating when you know that hours of research, a fantastic first interview, a fairly decent assessment day can theoretically all be chucked away in an instant .

    Having said that though, after all of that fell through (similar jobs with similar firms also in central London), courtesy of a couple of extremely unlikely connections someone recommended me for a job sorting out the IT dept in a small school, and to be honest I'm really glad it all went wrong at the beginning based on how things have turned out. I'm working fairly locally, with a very friendly crowd who don't demand too much and place a lot of faith in me - and on fairly similar wages. I just couldn't have expected all of those from the places I was looking at originally. Admittedly, the experience at one of the London firms would've been invaluable, but then I've probably got more responsibility here as well so it all balances out. I know it's a "same-old tune" situation, but I'm genuinely pleased with how things turned out in the end... you never know quite what's going to happen. Just takes someone with a bit of vision to see through all the crap and give you an opportunity.

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    Re: Graduate Jobs-Engineering

    Snootyjim, thank you for your post! Has given me a bit more hope.

    Its the worry that with my parents abroad, that if I don't have a job waiting for me out of University I am in a bit of a sticky situation, made worse by a girlfriend who is feeling utterly cooped up having to live at her mum's with our daughter.

    Luckerly, things have always fallen into place for me and always for the best, and usually despite everything being weighed against me. Can't help but feel being one of the luckiest guys around means im overdue for some fairly major badluck!

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    Re: Graduate Jobs-Engineering

    I just wanted to bump this because I just had to do some SHL tests for a Customer Services job and found it absolutely ridiculous. I believe I did pretty well in the test, at least considering I hadn't had to calculate percentages or fractions manually for a long time (thanks Excel!), its funny how it all comes flooding back.

    But as much as I loved my co-workers and colleagues in my last customer services job, its not a industry that attracts shall we say the most intellectual type of person, and I'd be amazed if any of them were able to get past the first few questions. That and the general time limit they give you, you get 35 questions and a 30 minute time limit, and it takes you a minute to find out exactly what they are asking e.g 'Take the total product of A and B for years 2000 and 2001 and then compare to total product of C and D for years 1998 and 1999. Given the percentage difference, what would be the likely forecast for years 2002 and 2003'. The forecast for what? A and B or C and D or combined? I'm being slightly facetious there, but not by much!

    So I completely sympathize with everyone in this thread, if they've being this serious over whats essentially a glorified call centre job (needs must alas), I can't imagine what you are all going through.

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    Re: Graduate Jobs-Engineering

    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
    Snootyjim, thank you for your post! Has given me a bit more hope.

    Its the worry that with my parents abroad, that if I don't have a job waiting for me out of University I am in a bit of a sticky situation, made worse by a girlfriend who is feeling utterly cooped up having to live at her mum's with our daughter.

    Luckerly, things have always fallen into place for me and always for the best, and usually despite everything being weighed against me. Can't help but feel being one of the luckiest guys around means im overdue for some fairly major badluck!
    Oh god, the irony in that! I cant help but laugh!

    An update anywho, I got through to EON and had a telephone interview with them last week (hour long) which went very well. They liked me and accepted me....only to e-mail back saying the position was now closed due to cut backs...apparently the people doing the cutbacks didn't tell the people hiring about said cutbacks. urgh.

    Had another interview with Thales, which iv been given an assessment centre to attend towards the end of March which might be good! Fingers crossed I survive that long though!
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    Re: Graduate Jobs-Engineering

    Well, your bad luck is out of the way now (hopefully!) - best of luck with the Thales Assessment Center!

    If it makes you feel any better, I've been rejected by Microsoft after a Phone Interview - they said I sounded monotonal and uninterested! I'm a bit of a Kimi Raikkonen figure, I don't say much and tend to never sound excited or anything - I thought a professional demeanour would go down well!

    Oh, I 'failed' the IBM online test too!

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