What's wrong with Apple products?

[Terbinator]

Extortionate prices.

[kalniel]

Child labour

[petrefax]

i still haven't forgiven apple for that one time i foolishly downloaded Quicktime about 10 years ago & it hijacked so many other settings on my PC that i had to format it to be sure i'd got rid of it.

nothing i hate more than buggy, pervasive apps that do this sort of thing

i'll agree that their styling and their marketing are very effective, but once again its being forced upon you from all angles. i don't particularly want a car or house that seamlessly interfaces with my ipod thank you very much, i'd like the choice over the format of mp3 player i select if that's ok with everyone

[Zsev]

Expensive? Yes. But Apple's products (Iphone, Ipod) all turn out to be the highest level benchmark for every segment they compete on so I suppose the price is justified.
Its not the company, its the overzealous users that tend to behave like a cult. Boils me up whenever I hear someone say "It just works" "No viruses" etc

[Mblaster]

The reason I don't buy anything by Apple is because of their locked down platforms, and their assumption that all their users are stupid.

[Terbinator]

The reason I don't buy anything by Apple is because of their locked down platforms, and their assumption that all their users are stupid.

Them buying Apple suggest they are.

[peterb]

Them buying Apple suggest they are.

Not at all - it means that they are prepared tp pay a premium for a product )or series of products that they don't have to faffa bout with - they just work, out of the box - because they are locked down and Apple exercises rigid control over the development.

You pay your money and take your choice.

[young_one]

The reason I don't buy anything by Apple is because of their locked down platforms, and their assumption that all their users are stupid.

Sadly Windows is slowly adding features which don't really enhance anything but do assume the user is stupid...what the hell is the 'Network and Sharing Center'?

[Phage]

- they just work, out of the box -

roflcopter !

[TooNice]

[...]To me when i can get any mp3 player from the sandisk sansa range that offers much better audio quality (on par with cowons) and does the job better with extra features like fm radio/ expansion slot with direct integration to the library and half the price of the competing ipod player (e.g. sansa fuze vs ipod nano) it makes you wonder why looking at the tech and the price makes you more of an 'outcast' in the public because your 'different' and not following the 'best'.

Maybe i went a bit far and rambled but basically, smugness is the key.... i understand that their products arent for me and that the style can get a premium but why should it enter my life or be forced upon me?.

PS: The ipod range are great but only if you want simplicity and dont like being different but if you get one, good for you .

Well, Apple doesn't care because for every person who fail to see that Apple users do not all fall into one arch type, there are probably three who fail to see other products other than Apple's, effectively falling into the very arch type, it doesn't make sense for me to me bothered either.

So I am going to link my reply on this thread: http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-channe...ml#post1871067

And re-iterate that Apple's popularity plays a large part in why many people dislike it. If it wasn't popular, it wouldn't be everywhere, there would be fewer people viewing it as the best thing since sliced bread, and Hicks12 probably wouldn't feel like it's 'forced upon him' (???). But I do find irony in the parallel between those who love everything Apple do, and those who hate everything Apple do. I don't see why 'being the same' or 'being different', should be part of the decision process in buying a product either, yet I am sure there are some people who buy/don't buy Apple product on that basis... alone. 'I am cool because I have an iPod' vs 'I am cool because I don't have an iPod', I've seen both, it's puzzling, but people should be allowed to buy whatever they want that make them happy for whatever reason.

[Lucio]

Personally, I've bought into both iTunes and an iPod because they work well together and offered at the time, a nearly unique service. Prior to iTunes getting music online legally was difficult and not very well publicised. Sure, there's DRM issues, but it was pretty seemless for me to move my music colllection between PC's when I upgraded.

I haven't bought into any of Apple's other products as I don't really have a need atm.

[Bunjiweb]

My biggest complaint about Apple is not necessarily the hardware, they make fairly good stuff I guess. It's actually their attitude towards those of us at this end of the geeky technological hardware scale. We are left in the cold because they lock down their platforms so tightly that It would be very difficult for me to make my own iPhone app without first complying to Apple's wishes and then I'd have to wait the lengthy examination period to make sure that Apple OK'd it. Personally I prefer a more open platform where I can customise what I like and download what I like, which is why on a mobile platform I do definitely prefer Android to the iPhone. And as for the bloated software like iTunes and Quicktime that will completely take over your computer, running multiple unnecessary background applications and other bloat-ware that are just pointless!

All this stuff recently about law suits in regards to software patents just fuels my hatred for them rather more so. I think it's absolutely disgusting that a company should be allowed to patent such trivial things (in the US) that it completely stifles creativity amongst competitors and means we end up with a flat market where Apple are restricting the advance in innovation.

The iPad is another example of Apple's frustrating business plans as they have made, in my eyes a fairly useless device as it is essentially a blown up iPod Touch and has really not revolutionised anything, it just is another angle for them to get their faithful customer base to fling money at. No Flash compatibility, no camera, a screen really not suitable as an ebook reader? It's flawed. And I suspect they will continue to trumpet the "1st generation" excuse when in 12-18 months time they launch the iPad X/S/XS that will of course come with camera and GPS as standard, and a far improved screen I suspect....

And without going off on a 20 page rant, my final point is a simple one - Elitism. Yes, Us in the geekdom of Hexus and other hardware forums could easily be accused of the same, but we usually have well researched knowledge to back up our argument. Have you ever come across a Mac / iPhone owner who does not simply refuse to believe they own the greatest piece of gadgetry currently available. The iPhone for me is the epitome of this. It's owners deem it to be the only smartphone to own, yet I'd argue that it isn't actually a true smartphone. The idea of a limited, close platform, full manufacturer control and limitations such as lack of multi-tasking in my mind make the iPhone a thoroughly dumbed down smartphone, or simply a smartphone for dumb people

I think you get the point. It's Apples way of going about things, and insistence on full control that angers me most!

Ben

[abaxas]

I use a mac to do work, I use a PC to play games, I use linux for the servers for my work.

Right tool for the job. Specification is not everything, completing the task you bought the computer for, is allways king.

So a question to those out there, what is more overpriced....

1) Apple hardware
2) That stupid overclocker style ram, eg hyper dominator mega heatshink master 1.34 stuff.

My answer, neither. Both do a job at a price that people are happy to pay.

[chuckskull]

Personally, I think the PC vs Mac fanboy-ism is hilarious on both sides.

Never bought an apple product myself, but simply because they've not sold a product I wanted/needed at a price I was willing to pay. I need windows for games, so that ruled out their computers. Don't like DRM in the slightest and that was enough to put me off the iTunes+iPod combo and I don't like touch-screen phones, I like buttons, call me old fashioned if you like.

Their products do tend be very pretty though, especially in black. Shame I don't have the money to be that vain

The only real reason people hate Apple is shockingly; the same reason they hate Microsoft. Because they're big and someone else likes them.

[Terbinator]

1) Apple hardware
2) That stupid overclocker style ram, eg hyper dominator mega heatshink master 1.34 stuff.

My answer, neither. Both do a job at a price that people are happy to pay.

Thats a fine example, Its just Apple want to charge the hyper-extreme prices for generic stuff.

[Haiku32]

The only thing Apple I own is my 80GB iPod. It cost quite a bit, but with iTunes it just works so seamlessly that I'd feel it would be a step backwards to get anything else. It's got a huge capacity, very easy to use, and looks good. My only complaint is that it doesn't play FLACs, but I'm not an audiophile so it doesn't bother me that much.

I think people dislike Apple products because of the annoying fanbase.