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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    What really grinds my gears is this behavoir might stop people voting for him according to sky.

    So wait a second? They where fine with chronic obstinance and refusal to listen to economic advisors, giving us the highest un-employment we've ever seen (and its only going to get worse in the short term) pissing away our gold, crippling us with debt.

    But no, he says that a woman who from all accounts was a nusiance his aids should not have put in front of him..... People don't vote for him for that reason.

    I HATE DEMOCRACY, BECAUSE I HATE ALL THOSE VOTERS!
    I agree up to a point. It should be primarily policies that matter, but the personality of the guy in charge also has to be a factor.

    What this incident does is show the mask slipping.

    For ages, there have been stories about what Brown is like behind the scenes. All the stuff about abusing staff, the "hatchet" men indulging in political smears which he then denied knowing anything about, the "bullying" allegations., and so on. And it's not just political opponents saying it. I can't remember how many of his erstwhile colleagues have made remarks about him being a "control freak", and so forth, but there have been several that were cabinet colleagues.

    So it begs the question, if this incident should have some protection because it's a "private" conversation, then what else is he saying in private that he won't say in public?

    I listened to what Gillian Duffy said, and I listened to how Brown characterised it, and I can't for the life of me see where he got "bigoted" from. All she did was mention the extent of immigration from Eastern Europe, and that is a perfectly valid political point ... had Brown and Blair implemented the transitional controls on accession countries that just about every other member state did, we would not have had the level of incomers from eastern Europe that we did, and that was vastly more than Labour told us would result. I don't remember the exact figures, but from memory they predicted something or the order of 50,000 and we ended up with more like 750,000. Moreover, some areas had a way higher than average burden to bear because that levels was not spread evenly across the UK. So, for a local authority with a heavy level of immigration, it does affect provision of local services merely by increasing demand. You can't suddenly magic up extra housing, doctors and hospital facilities, school places and so forth overnight, even if funding was provided to match, which it wasn't.

    Being concerned and/or upset about badly misjudged government policy and badly handled results is not bigotry.

    And for a PM to show that level of contempt and disdain for not only a voter, but one of his own supporters, in private, whilst having moments before finished saying to her face how nice it was to meet her shows the level of rank hypocrisy and arrogance the man is capable of.

    If he is all smiles and pleasantry to her in public, while being that obnoxious in private and bitching about who put him with "that woman", a woman who I stress is a voter, when in private, then it merely says to me that we can't take a single word he says at face value. What else is he saying that he doesn't want us to know about?

    When Brown took over as PM, he promised us all that he'd "listen". He's not listening, and personally, I doubt he ever has. He simply didn't want to hear what she was saying. And that is his problem. All he wanted was a sound bite. And now we know why he has been avoiding meeting real voters, and sticking to carefully stage-managed appearances in front of carefully vetted Labour faithful.

    It just says to me that his party colleagues that accused him of being a control freak knew what they were talking about. And this is the man that wants us to put him back in power? when he treats his own supporters with such disdain?

    Policy is important. Critically important. But character is not entirely unimportant either. And that was a fail, Mr Brown. A major fail.

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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    First time Gordy has been right about anything, and he gets slammed for it.

    Although perhaps bitter would have been a better choice of words than 'bigot'.
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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillian Duffy
    All these people from Eastern Europe, where are they coming from?

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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    There was quite a good (IMHO) editorial in today's Daily Telegraph (admittedly not known for its support of the Labour party)

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Heffer - Daily Telegraph 28 April 2010
    I need hardly say why, but I shall. Its destruction of our prosperity and its barely concealed and irrational hatred of wealth-creators; its infantilisation of people through the welfare state and its cultivation of a taxpayer-funded clientele; its sundering of the United Kingdom by devolution; its contempt for Parliament; its reduction of state schools to third-rate child-minding operations, and of our universities to underfunded vocational training colleges; its deliberate subversion of our culture and way of life by uncontrolled immigration; its surrender to the forces of anti-democracy in Europe; its imperilling of our Armed Forces, aggravated by the hypocrisy with which it praises them; its disdain for our countryside and its people; above all its naked tribalism and gerrymandering, and its leech-like attitude towards the productive sectors that must pay for it. It has been a disgrace, and the man who leads it is to blame. Keeping him in Downing Street would be an act of insanity on a par with feeling unwell, and asking Dr Shipman to make you better.
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    From the mind of Warren Ellis, on voting:

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    You want to know about voting. I'm here to tell you about voting. Imagine you're locked in a huge underground night-club filled with sinners, whores, freaks and unnameable things that rape pitbulls for fun. And you ain't allowed out until you all vote on what you're going to do tonight. You like to put your feet up and watch "Republican Party Reservation". They like to have sex with normal people using knives, guns, and brand new sexual organs you did not even know existed. So you vote for television, and everyone else, as far as your eye can see, votes to [censored] you with switchblades. That's voting. You're welcome.
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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Mountain out of a molehill tbh. What does it reveal other than Mr Brown gets irritated by irksome people? Show me a person who says they aren't irritated by an in your face TV opportunist and I'll show you a liar.

    Paxman's roasting by Plaid's economic rep was far more entertaining than this run of the mill election non-story. Do yourself a favour and watch something really entertaining rather than the "issue" you've been fed. Strewth, it'll be "Gordon eats haggis" next..

    I mean, come on, this forum is blankly dancing to the tune being played rather than choosing its own music.

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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Show me a person who says they aren't irritated by an in your face TV opportunist and I'll show you a liar.
    That'll be every politician who ever lived, then.

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    I mean, come on, this forum is blankly dancing to the tune being played rather than choosing its own music.
    I believe most of us are mocking the tune? *shrug*
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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    To be fair, it was quite an amusing and easy mistake to make.
    This coming from someone who said "Oh s---" under my breath into a mic at a public event when I noticed a glaring error in my powerpoint presentation...

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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by Powderhound View Post
    To be fair, it was quite an amusing and easy mistake to make.
    This coming from someone who said "Oh s---" under my breath into a mic at a public event when I noticed a glaring error in my powerpoint presentation...
    But then you aren't the current leader of the Government, hoping to remain that leader!

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Mountain out of a molehill tbh. What does it reveal other than Mr Brown gets irritated by irksome people? Show me a person who says they aren't irritated by an in your face TV opportunist and I'll show you a liar. snip--->
    Was Gillian Duffy a "TV opportunist? If she was, it appears not to have been of her making. In Brown's unguarded moment, it seems that she was brought to meet him by one his aides 'Sue' - and she is (or perhaps was) a Labour supporter, so to dismiss her as a "TV Opportunist" is a little disingenuous. If anyone was the TV opportunist, it was Gordon Brown.

    So we had an apparantly stage managed meeting, where he was all smiles and on a charm offensive on camera, but as soon as he is in private - so he thought - he reveals his true thoughts - so what other true thoughts does he have in private that contradict his public utterances?

    And there have been reports that in private Gordan Brown is a a rather dour character - reports that have been denied by his supporter. There have also been reports of a bullying culture in number 10 - both by Brown and some of his aides. They too have been denied, but this unguarded slip perhaps indicates that those stories may not be without some substance.

    It was a rare view when the mask slipped.

    And look at his apology to the Labour party. "...the sort of person I entered into politics to represent". Well if that is what he thinks of the people he entered politics to represent, what does he think of those he doesn't consider he represents? And surely a democratically elected politician should represent ALL the electorate, regardless of their political persuasion?

    At the very least it has given credence to the (alleged) sterotype of the man, and at worst it demonstrates contempt for those whose support he is seeking.

    Regardless of the eventual political consequences, if any - he was caught out - and no amount of posturing and apology can hide that fact.

    (On the plus side - he did give us that fantastic face palm - captured by Madduckuk! )
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    Bye bye Mr Brown, go away quietly please.

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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
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    Paxman's roasting by Plaid's economic rep was far more entertaining than this run of the mill election non-story. Do yourself a favour and watch something really entertaining

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    Brilliant - absolutely brilliant "Do your homework" followed by Paxo's obvious sigh! Thank you for that link, Santa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Brilliant - absolutely brilliant "Do your homework" followed by Paxo's obvious sigh! Thank you for that link, Santa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Was Gillian Duffy a "TV opportunist?
    Politicians are TV opportunists I agree. But it seems everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame these days. The indignant Ms Duffy used up her quota with her ever-so-serious roadside confrontation of a man who has possibly the toughest job in the Country. With supporters like her....

    Just about everyone's public face differs from their private opinion on at least some occasions.

    Much ado about nothing.

    I prefer a serious leader and I've no doubt there are times when he judges the tempo in his back office needs to step up and match the seriousness of the issues being addressed daily. At that level, it really has to be make the grade or make way.

    Paxo's drubbing was more entertaining Peter.

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    Yes, it is the toughest job in the country, and when you fail at it as horribly as Gordy has, you should have the common decency to resign.
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    Gordon is no different from any other politician, and for that matter, any other normal person. We all say and do things in private differently from how we behave in public. The only difference here is that he broke the 11th commandment. He got caught doing it.
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    Re: Mr. Brown - here be your P45...

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    Gordon is no different from any other politician, and for that matter, any other normal person. We all say and do things in private differently from how we behave in public. The only difference here is that he broke the 11th commandment. He got caught doing it.
    Can we look forward to reports of him clearing his bowels in future or knocking off a sly one?

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yes, it is the toughest job in the country, and when you fail at it as horribly as Gordy has, you should have the common decency to resign.
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