Leadership of the Labour Party

[Saracen]

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...are based on what was forced fed in.

That was exactly my point, yes.

Whatever the coalition policies have been, they have been a reaction to the poop sandwich the incompetent bunch of idiots that left power left behind, and in particular, to the incompetent-in-chief himself, one G. Brown.

After all, as ex-Treasury minister Liam Byrne so aptly, if indiscreetly, put it,

Sorry, there's no money left

The turd sandwich the coalition had to deal with was because of the disaster handed to them by that pillock Brown. And his chief economic advisor, the current shadow chancellor.

[TheAnimus]

Mind you, my first Paxman interview would be a, how shall I put it, 'lively" occasion.

I was thinking his new beard would get him culled as he now obviously passes as a bovine TB risk.

[wasabi]

That latter bit would be a wonderful way of uniting support, including mine .... around someone else.

For the record, even assuming I could get elected to the proper Parliament, which by the way is something I consider rather unlikely as, first, I wouldn't stand, and second, I don't consider myself qualified (whatever that means), and then assuming someone appointed me as Prime Minister, my first act would be to resign.

Even for a HEXUS party, I'm no politician. I'll say what I think, mean what I say, and if others don't like it, oh well, do me a favour and vote for someone else. Not a way to get elected, is it?

I wouldn't vote for me, so I'm beggared if I can see why anyone else would. And if they were daft enough to do so, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be long before they'd regret it.

Mind you, my first Paxman interview would be a, how shall I put it, 'lively" occasion.

Pah. No soundbites and not even remotely statesmanlike.

I'd vote for you.

[santa claus]

Pah. No soundbites and not even remotely statesmanlike.

I'd vote for you.

I have a dream that one day men will be judged by the content of their character and not the colour of their Hexus name.

That said, I'd vote for Saracen too. I'd also bring in TheAnimus as Home Secretary - he has the right qualifications and his posting has reached new levels of interest and maturity.

[TheAnimus]

Would you be the General Secretary of the Central Party Santa ?

[ik9000]

That latter bit would be a wonderful way of uniting support, including mine .... around someone else.

For the record, even assuming I could get elected to the proper Parliament, which by the way is something I consider rather unlikely as, first, I wouldn't stand, and second, I don't consider myself qualified (whatever that means), and then assuming someone appointed me as Prime Minister, my first act would be to resign.

Even for a HEXUS party, I'm no politician. I'll say what I think, mean what I say, and if others don't like it, oh well, do me a favour and vote for someone else. Not a way to get elected, is it?

I wouldn't vote for me, so I'm beggared if I can see why anyone else would. And if they were daft enough to do so, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be long before they'd regret it.

Mind you, my first Paxman interview would be a, how shall I put it, 'lively" occasion.

and that is the very reason you are fit to be PM - because you're sane enough to realise that you're not the right man for the job. No one is. The problem is the idiot who thinks he is (And is then too proud/stubborn/stupid to accept he isn't even when he's wrecking the entire country). Naming no names...

I'll say what I think, mean what I say, and if others don't like it, oh well, do me a favour and vote for someone else. Not a way to get elected, is it?

That is exactly what politics should be. Not this politically correct, quasi-twitter-popularity contest it seems to be turning into. Make some election promises, then stick to them. Stand up for the principles voters elected you for. Job done. Am I the only one who thinks like this? Surely voter apathy is precisely because the people who are in there at present are largely seen to be spineless, changing-with-the-wind, egotistical idiots who will turn on a six-pence or offer of a good write up in the tabloids rather than stand up for what they believe in (which at present seems only to be that the internet is evil and must be regulated aka "filtered" - but there's another thread about that, so let's not tangent onto it here).

[pp05]

His been right to not focus on policy too soon but get the vision/values right and then move forward onto policy. He will have clearer sign next year about what he can offer and maybe have his 'inheritance tax' moment if he still around.

What is funny is the Blairites who have kept quiet until now. Possibly all part of some plan to install David at the last hour.

P.s Saracen wouldn't last 5 mins it seems.

[santa claus]

Would you be the General Secretary of the Central Party Santa ?

Why else would I wear a red suit?

And (gulp) do you know who gave me this suit? - Prime Minister Saracen.

My God, he's been planning this all along.

[TheAnimus]

Back on topic it is interesting there is definitely a largeish swing voter population. Or rather a large section of dissatisfied voters.

UKIP will be the interesting one this time I think. Lib Dem voters have largely learnt their lesson, I find some of the threads on internet forums of people crying about Nick Clegg could possibly ever hurt the Guardian by being complicit in the whole snowden data destruction story, particularly amusing given the whole telling all their readers to vote for Lib Dems thing. I'll be honest given how self righteous they are, it is incredibly funny. Still utterly sad however.

I guess what I am getting at is right now people are worried about:

Economy
Terror Laws / Spying
Europe

That is pretty much it. Labour haven't clarified their positions on any of those, and their track record is the worst.

[pp05]

Back on topic it is interesting there is definitely a largeish swing voter population. Or rather a large section of dissatisfied voters.

UKIP will be the interesting one this time I think.

I guess what I am getting at is right now people are worried about:

Economy
Terror Laws / Spying
Europe

I think it is a long way to go for UKIP and expect them to have a media campaign directed at them by the next general election. Certainly, appears to have already started at The Telegraph.

[wasabi]

I think it is a long way to go for UKIP and expect them to have a media campaign directed at them by the next general election. Certainly, appears to have already started at The Telegraph.

Given the 'first past the post' electoral system we stuck ourselves with just to spite Nick Clegg, you can automatically dismiss any party other than Conservative or Labour. Most that UKIP will achieve is split the Tory vote in enough seat to let Labour back in for another spending spree.

[Lucio]

In my opinion, democracy is a waste of time. If we had a meritocracy, which offered a suitable complaints process to combat potential corruption, and a suitable forum to raise issues, I'd be a lot happier.

The biggest problem with democracy is no one person can accurately represent out views, we're all different enough that the same combination of thoughts are unlikely to occur, and similar enough that we don't easily see the common ground.

If we were left to speak up on the issues that really mattered to us as individuals, combined with the day to day facilities being provided by people who really do know "best", then the country would be a lot happier.


That said, it's all a pipe dream as the ones in power currently are there because they're greedy, self centred and willing to push themselves forward over the top of others. The few idealists who make it into a political position quickly become despondant and give up.

[santa claus]

I guess what I am getting at is right now people are worried about:

Economy
Terror Laws / Spying
Europe

That is pretty much it. Labour haven't clarified their positions on any of those, and their track record is the worst.

I think you missed out immigration?

In my opinion, democracy is a waste of time.

No system is perfect; but democracy has to be the best option. I know we've just about had it up to our eye teeth with our lot in this day and age but it isn't the system, it's down to some of those charged with maintaining its good name.

[TheAnimus]

I think you missed out immigration?

That is what I meant by Europe, most people AFAIK worry about Eastern European workers undercutting, creating massive problems for local infrastructure (schools, police), hell I'm as cosmopolitan as they come, having exclusively dated many of them, but I still had issues trying to explain to a former neighbour that allocated parking, meant he couldn't put 7 cars in the carpark :S he genuinely couldn't understand how he was in the wrong, it's a kind of cultural thing that Germany dealt with rather well considering, after reunification. I really tried, but in the end the management firm ended up paying for most of them to be impounded.

I don't think many people worry about immigrants from Americas or India now adays.

I think the problem was that many said any complaint about immigration, made you a racist, no matter if you were just saying something about local resources been inelastic to cope with such change in demand, many branded you a racist in the naughties.

As a result I think it has become very expectable to complain about Polish migration, if only because the official numbers were a few thousands, and it turned out to be millions.

[BobF64]

No system is perfect; but democracy has to be the best option.

Sadly, we dont live in a democracy.

Somehow, mostly due to media/public laziness, democracy has become a synonym for democratic elections, the two arent the same.

We democratically elect people to represent us by a tyrannical majority.

[Shirty]

The sentences which follow prove that I am not politically minded:

Ed Miliband has an annoying voice and face. I don't expect my politicians to be beautiful, but some standards must be maintained. Cameron might be shiny and posh, but at least he looks slightly less like an overgrown schoolboy in suit.