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Applying the principles of Liberal democracy overcomes most of those issues. Problem is as the state has become bigger and bigger, most people don't have any notion of respect for the liberty of others.
Applying the principles of Liberal democracy overcomes most of those issues. Problem is as the state has become bigger and bigger, most people don't have any notion of respect for the liberty of others.
and you think any of this matters .. stop the lobbying ,make them 100% libel for there decision, and it will make a good start to get it back to what it should be ..
atm there bought and paid for .. simples ..
What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
In which case let's remove the usual catalysts, colour and/or nationality, from the discussion and simply say, as you allude to, that there are enough people living here now. We don't need more, can't cope with more and can't afford more either economically or socially. Hopefully, this cannot be misconstrued as racism but pure commonsense.
Being free to say that has got to be worth something though eh? I've lurched constantly between bitterness and contentedness with our system but I still wouldn't choose to live anywhere but here.
Back to Ed and Labour - what are their policies?
Labour. Policies. Erm.. mock the tories. Sneer at the tories. Refuse to accept blame for the current mess we're in. Mock the tories. Deny everything we did wrong was our fault - it's all Maggie wot dun it. Sneer at the tories. Doodle on our briefing notes. Pretend we understand how to fix the economy. Spend more - after all when you're in the red why stop digging? What can possibly go wrong. Greece, you say? Great musical, loved it. Sneer at the tories....
nope no idea either I'm afraid!
MaddAussie (23-08-2013)
Talk about Values a lot and Spend! Spend! Spend!
It would be silly to announce policies two years before a general election and allow the opposition to take them apart or nick them whilst not knowing what likely condition will be even a year from now.
The issue is, we have too much of a fundamental right for internal migration, it would be hugely unfair for instance to say you can only work in London if you were born 'ere.
The problem is, that we have this terrible attitude towards colour and race. It is not racist if I say in London the majority of crime is committed by someone who is black, when population weighting is taken into account. It is however racist to say that someone who is black must be a criminal.
We have blurred what the line between what objection and racism is. We will not solve that problem by saying we need to make it about the role of the person, rather than their intrinsic properties.
UKIP and BNP are existing in their number only because of the failure to engage with reasonable people. These complaints aren't about skin colour but the fact that a lot of the people who have moved, have tried to bring their values with them. In the example I gave before I had never found someone so irrationally unable to understand the idea of allocated parking (and the fact people pay for it), despite having known a fair few people who grew up the other side of the curtain. People have to be able to say we don't want any more without it instantly being translated too oh we can't possibly have one.
The thing is that an influx of cheap workers also hurts those at the bottom end as it prevents price rises due to constrained labour supply. This results in it often being people who are less eloquent complaining, they simply get brushed aside as being part of the took urh jubs! type.
I think that the effect of EU membership and migration will be the hot topic at the next election. Rightly so! When the 35th largest country in the world, has one in twenty people leave it to join your small island, that quite simply is wrong. It is also deeply unfair for the Polish economy too. I think labour need to throw their hands up and admit they messed up big time on this, and have a much more planned policy.
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Either way, its not a democracy. Democracy is where the populace as a whole are directly involved in the ruling process, normally by everyone voting on everything.
Democratically elected representatives are just that, elected representatives, and still largely unaccountable to anyone but themselves and the media.
Worse than the pre-coalition LibDems, complaining about everything whilst offering little or nothing of their own, whilst doing their best to make sure no one remembers that ALL the current problems are of Labours making.
That isn't fair. It isn't their fault the weather is bad in London today. But other than that, economic downturn in The North massive debt, need to cut spending, hugely unserviceable pensions, immigration issues, lack of power generation capacity in the next decade.
Yup that's all their fault as many people were complaining at the time.
However, plenty of voters are really, really dumb, and believe what they want to. Just look at all the people who actually believed Obamas stuff. If only people were more cynical!
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ik9000 (23-08-2013)
'Muricans could be as cynical as a cynic could be, but the two parties and their entire political structure is so firmly entrenched in institutional bipartisanship that voters literally have no choice other than Red vs. Blue, and both are completely corrupt neo-liberal authoritarians who only bicker over minutia to keep the people polarised over a meaningless invisible line between them.
Or is that too cynical?
Interesting points with many worthy of their own threads but this leadership issue needs resolving (by us).
Labour are nowhere to be seen and that is down to Ed. They don't have that long to get with the programme; even IDS has stolen a march on them.
Weak opposition is not good whatever your politics (well, unless yours are the 'politics' of tyrrany I suppose!) and enough time has been wasted. I mean, Louise Mensch speaking for a couple of minutes at the weekend about the detention of David Miranda showed more gumption than Ed has shown in the last few years.
Ed, please give David a call and tell him his Country needs him. He took it on the chin when you won the vote; you can show similar magnanimity now.
Nope, but it's a good start.
True enough, but hardly surprising. Ex-politicians have a habit of being surprisingly frank .... probably due to having no fear of a rollocking from the leaders, being denied promotion, or sacked from your current job, or of having to get re-elected.
To be fair she was publicly quite pro freedom of the press back when the whole Murdoch brownstuffstorm was going on.
Indeed.
My impression was thatshe was a politician that wasn't particularly bothered about brown-nosing the leadership for career progression. There are others like that, on both (main) sides. Agree with him or not, Zak Goldsmith strikes me like that, for instance. I guess he can afford to not worry about career progression. Being wealthy must help with independence of career concerns.
But there are also exa ples of those that are a LOT more forthright once out of office, and I strongly get the impression that they now give their personal opinion, not the party line, regardless of what party high comand might think of it. The obvious example is Michael Portillo. He now seems happy to give an unvarnished personal opinion of the Tories, warts and all.
Of course, not being bound by Cabinet collective responsibility helps.
Very true. It's just so refreshing to see someone on the establishment side dishing it out. I thought she spoke confidently and had the facts; I'd be happy to see her in a senior role in government.
Michael Portillo is indeed a revelation.
Maybe the earlier suggestion of an elected one-party state is not such a bad idea. The Tory/Labour bandwagon has ceased to serve the Country effectively; let the electorate decide on the individuals for Government, not gravy train Party selections. That old hat has been exposed as no longer delivering. The Libs have already buried themselves.
It will also allow us to get our preferred Candidate in with a chance.
ik9000 (23-08-2013),MaddAussie (23-08-2013)
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