View Poll Results: Brexit - Eligible/Ineligible, In, Out or Undecided?

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Thread: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Yea but that doesn't make the video any less funny.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Yea but that doesn't make the video any less funny.
    It's incredibly biased however as they are hoping the viewer doesn't realise this fact.

    Oh Guardian....
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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    To be fair it's not the Guardian who pitched it as an EU thing, the original source does make it clear that...
    After Theresa May says Britain should leave the European convention on human rights, Patrick Stewart, Adrian Scarborough and Sarah Solemani expose the problems in the Conservative plan for a UK bill of rights.
    It just so happens that it's been caught up in the IN-OUT stuff.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeludedGuy View Post
    People had that same view with Blacks, Pakistanis, Irish etc...nice one.
    Blacks were brought here.
    Asians were also brought here after WW2 to rebuild the country.
    No one brought the East Europeans here.

    Blacks have been around for 200 years, Asians have been around for almost 100 years. So, why do you see more EUans in London than them ?

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitize...itainhome.html

    The first Asians settled in the UK long before WW2. Or WW1 for that matter. Discriminations existed back then too, so it is easy to draw the parallel with the East Europeans you are so unfond of.

    One of the aspect I like most about London, is the international community. That includes, but isn't limited to, the population part of the EU.

    Besides, as a bit of a nomad myself, I appreciate both the freedom of movement and not being discriminated against when I am the "foreigner". So I'll treat others as I'd like to be treated, and hope that it is returned in kind.

    To do the opposite is to go backward IMO.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    How many billions do we give to the EU ?
    Yet, how many millions of EUans do we accomodate ? How many billions do we once again spend in looking after them via various benefits?
    Add up all these billions.

    Keep sticking your head under a rock and vote IN and watch us become a poor 3rd world country very fast.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Mostly conjectures with a sprinkle of tasty fearmongering. Yum

    Different sources will tell you different stories. The Dailymail may tell you that those leeching Europeans will cost us hundred of millions or billions. But I can also pull sources that claim that those Europeans paying in taxes more than they are costing in benefits.

    I won't claim to know who is more truthful, but since you are so sure that those Europeans are going to turn us into a "poor 3rd world country very fast", would you mind making a forecast of how fast? I am calling on your prediction, but it would be interesting to see if I really have my head under a rock, or you need to stop hating on Europeans.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    I'm pretty sure there have been Eastern Europeans on our shores for many, many centuries as well as everyone else, since the trade routes would have gone straight through those lands. The only reason we didn't see many in the more recent past, was that they weren't allowed to travel due to the iron curtain, post WW2. But hating people because of where they're from is pretty nonsensical.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    How many billions do we give to the EU ?
    That would be around 0.3% of the size of the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Yet, how many millions of EUans do we accomodate ? How many billions do we once again spend in looking after them via various benefits?
    That would be about 3 million EU citizens residing in the UK, versus around 2.2 million Britons living elsewhere in the EU, within that 3 million around 600,000 are classed as economically "non-active" that doesn't mean all of that 600,000 are claiming social security, estimates say around only 28% of the total is made up of jobseekers, in fact 77% of working-age EU nationals were employed, while 68% of British nationals in the same age bracket could say the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Add up all these billions.
    I can't as depending on whose statistics you use it doesn't even make a single billion, various estimates seem to indicate migrants have a small (1% of GDP) effect either way.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Excellent Corky!

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    ........ I can't as depending on whose statistics you use it doesn't even make a single billion, various estimates seem to indicate migrants have a small (1% of GDP) effect either way.
    Do your stats show how many of our women these foreigners are taking?

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by opel80uk View Post
    Do your stats show how many of our women these foreigners are taking?
    LOL!

    You need to ask yourself why "our" women are being drawn to these "foreigners".

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
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    Since we don't keep a record of when EUans enter the country, how do you think these numbers were generated?
    Did Dave & co provide these figures? And, do you believe them? LOL
    Were these figures deduced from the no. of people applying for NI nos. ? If yes, then what about the number who didn't apply for NI's ?

    I don't have to read the DailyMail to come up with my views.
    I live in the real world. I commute on the Tube, I get on buses, I drive around, I go to supermarkets, I have seen how my neighbourhood has changed. I have eyes, I look around myself. Be it Hounslow or Eastham, you only seem to see EUans.

    I mentioned a few months ago that uncontrolled immigration is not sustainable. And, I still stick to that view.

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Bloody foreigners, coming over here, getting on our buses, going to our supermarkets

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Since we don't keep a record of when EUans enter the country, how do you think these numbers were generated? [...]
    Which would means that you do not have any figures to back up your "millions and billions" either. You do not know if they are paying more in tax than they are costing in benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Bloody foreigners, coming over here, getting on our buses, going to our supermarkets
    We should build a wall around the country. And make the EU pay for it!

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    Re: Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Since we don't keep a record of when EUans enter the country, how do you think these numbers were generated?
    If you'd bothered to dig a little deeper you would've found the numbers were generated from various sources, all the details are contained in the European Commission report (PDF Warning).

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Did Dave & co provide these figures? And, do you believe them? LOL
    Honestly i haven't asked him, then again I'm not the one casting doubt on the sources, perhaps you'd like to tell us what source you consider unreliable and why.

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Were these figures deduced from the no. of people applying for NI nos. ? If yes, then what about the number who didn't apply for NI's ?
    Like i said the numbers were derived from various sources, but if we're talking specifically about National Insurance numbers people with out one of those wouldn't be able (afaik) to claim socially security so wouldn't be worth (statistically speaking) counting as arguable their inconsequential.

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    I don't have to read the DailyMail to come up with my views.
    I live in the real world. I commute on the Tube, I get on buses, I drive around, I go to supermarkets, I have seen how my neighbourhood has changed. I have eyes, I look around myself. Be it Hounslow or Eastham, you only seem to see EUans.
    So you're basing your opinion on nothing more than anecdotal evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    I mentioned a few months ago that uncontrolled immigration is not sustainable. And, I still stick to that view.
    Confirmation bias much?

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