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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    If waving your arms around your heads killed people it shouldn't be a right.

    I have no idea why we're having this argument. Are either of us going to change our opinions on this?
    Punching people kills people. So does shooting them. Both should be illegal.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Excellent, I'm glad that people who think like you live in america and not so much of you over here.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Excellent, I'm glad that people who think like you live in america and not so much of you over here.
    Many people in Saudi Arabia are similarly pleased they don't have to live with people who believe in religious freedom.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Do you enjoy it?
    I go target shooting every week with the missus. Some people own golf clubs. Some people woodworking tools. Some people play cricket. All of these things involve items which can and have been used as a weapon. My hobby is no different except that when misused the items involved can be more dangerous than a cricket bat.

    Just like your car.

    Do you enjoy it?

    I do not look at what I have and see them as a weapon. Just as you don't look at your car and see that as a weapon. You appreciate the potential for danger associated with it and mitigage it appropriately. The same is true with firearms. If you look at it and see it as a weapon, there's probably something more seriously wrong in your head.

    EDIT: Unless you live in a society where there is real danger and you bought the gun for self defence. That's a different kettle of fish. What I have isn't exactly suitable for that kind of thing.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    Many people in Saudi Arabia are similarly pleased they don't have to live with people who believe in religious freedom.
    Yes, because I have the freedom not to worry about me getting shot as I go about my daily business, or my children getting shot at school, its the equivalent of living in Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Or whatever your point was. This argument is seriously stupid and is making me feel dumber just for partaking in it. Well done.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Yes, because I have the freedom not to worry about me getting shot as I go about my daily business, or my children getting shot at school, its the equivalent of living in Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    I go target shooting every week with the missus. Some people own golf clubs. Some people woodworking tools. Some people play cricket. All of these things involve items which can and have been used as a weapon. My hobby is no different except that when misused the items involved can be more dangerous than a cricket bat.

    Just like your car.

    Do you enjoy it?

    I do not look at what I have and see them as a weapon. Just as you don't look at your car and see that as a weapon. You appreciate the potential for danger associated with it and mitigage it appropriately. The same is true with firearms. If you look at it and see it as a weapon, there's probably something more seriously wrong in your head.

    EDIT: Unless you live in a society where there is real danger and you bought the gun for self defence. That's a different kettle of fish. What I have isn't exactly suitable for that kind of thing.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging you for owning a gun. I understand the hobby aspect of it. I do boxing and MMA for hobby, fairly dangerous is some situations. Have hatchets, throwing axes and numerous knifes too (plus a bow). Not exactly guns but they are still weapons. Also drive cars and a van nearly every day. Deadly weapons as far as I'm concerned.

    Funny enough you mentioned woodworking - I do carving but I consider a regular screwdriver a lot more effective (due to the length of the blades). :-D

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    This is an interesting read about changes in corporate behavior, and may partly explain the origins of things like the Gillette ad. Or it may not...

    https://www.thenation.com/article/bi...pose-paradigm/
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post
    This is an interesting read about changes in corporate behavior, and may partly explain the origins of things like the Gillette ad. Or it may not...

    https://www.thenation.com/article/bi...pose-paradigm/
    Says it all..." are luring millennial workers ". Sound like the military's new recruitment campaign for millennials, just to serve as meat-shields.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Galant View Post
    When I said "being a man", I meant being a male.
    I know.
    But it's not about what you said or what you think, it's about what other people generally mean (or think they mean) when they say "Toxic Masculinity". I'm just trying to make some sense of their misunderstanding for you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Galant View Post
    That's why I think that if there's going to be any meaningful debate on this, there need to be a clear understanding of definition.
    In that case, you will never get what you're after unless everyone agrees on your definition... which they don't, which is why there's a debate in the first place. There are too many nominalisations to make any reasonable consensus, which is why the 'toxic' term was created to address all the vague and wide reaching variables.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    And those laws are immoral and wrong. I think we've covered that before.
    But they still punish the group (and the wrong one, at that) for the actions of the individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueball View Post
    Immoral? I think not.
    Stopping law-abiding citizens from enjoying their hitherto legal hobby, based on the actions of one criminal, while doing absolutely nothing to curtail the actual criminals?
    It's both immoral and ridiculously backward.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueball View Post
    So you're going with "the right to bear arms", I'm going with "the right to go to school and come home at the end of the day".
    I cited UK laws. There was never any right to bear arms in the first place... but lets not get started on the concept of rights, because you actually have none in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Wouldn't know as I don't watch TV or adverts but I wouldn't mind to check some out, if you would be so kind to suggest or link. Women-focused ads that is.
    Aww, it's Friday, dammitt....

    OK, while I'm around adverts a fair amount, I don't pay enough attention to remember much about them, so a quick Google will have to suffice.
    Selfridges last year with their ultra-slim model, Cara Delevigne's Rimmel ad with the CGI lashes, Adaptamil showing boys becoming engineers and mountaineers but girls becoming ballerinas, Gap have done a similar one reinforcing gender stereotypes, The Agent estate agency showing a soldier who'd 'bought a kitchen for the missus', FemFresh got flak for over-sexualising and objectifying women... in fact, most fashion and make-up adverts play heavily on stereotypes and many have taken flak for screwing up at some point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    A man, who leaves a family behind, just because he wants to and can't be bothered to support and provide, is not a man in my eyes.
    He doesn't even have to leave, though. I said father figure. That could be a brother, uncle, grandfather, family friend, neighbour, or whatever. I had several, none of whom were my own father as he was always away working... but to whatever extent, I still had some. That's what I'm talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Also wouldn't say my social circle is too forgiving if I neglect shaving myself for a week
    Why?
    Is it not your choice whether you shave, then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Would get non-stop comments from women mostly, at work and home.
    Tell them to 'toddle off' and worry more about their own beards!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    I could choose not to, but I rather be left alone so I do it every week.
    When I shave, my wife said it was like kissing a 12-year old boy... she prefers kissing adult men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Know more than one woman, who uses it for the blessed side effect of not having any periods. Regardless if they're in a partnership or not.
    A range of options in how to deal with your periods gives you such choices... but you don't get a choice in whether you have periods with which to deal, nor in which of those options might not work for you.
    Shaving, on the other hand, is completely your choice and does not generally impact personal and/or public hygiene if you choose not to shave.

    You also won't get dogs sniffing your bits if you don't shave!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    I would like to see you sit in a cafeteria, on one side some person is free-bleeding, on the other somebody is having a nosebleed.
    To what end? What purpose? Surely you can extrapolate from my words as to precisely how I'd feel, react, etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    The nose-bleeding person will almost always go to the toilet, leaving those around mostly unaffected. Can't say the same thing about the other person.
    The pressure of social conformity will generally force the latter into behaving like the former, especially when the more vocal and short-tempered among us will loudly insist she get up off that public seating, clean up her blood spills and take her leaking, stinking, lady parts off to the toilet to sort herself out.
    Like I said, there's no shame in having a period any more than there is in taking a dump... but neither do you subject everyone else to it!!

    Incidentally, I have had a very similar situation, except the person in question piddled themselves because they couldn't be bothered to get up and go to the public toilet. It took a security escort and a cleaner showing up to motivate them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Should be easy and hardly complicated: work hard, don't lie, be honest, don't ask or beg needlessly, have your actions speak for you and so on.
    Sorry, but not only is that a touch toward an old-fashioned definition of what it is to 'Be A Man', it's rather vague and incomplete, and it's actually just a small part of what it takes to be a decent person. It's not actually gender specific in any way!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    I've always thought that overusing self-grooming products is not very man-like but that's only my opinion. Never used aftershave in my life.
    Then don't overuse them... Real men know how much dash to splash!
    The Lord Jesus Christ himself was given three gifts by some very wise men... two of them were essentially aftershaves! That's hardly unmanly, is it?

    If you want to look at manly scents throughout history, you can either opt for the modern take, or go proper historical:
    https://www.ft.com/content/340fdbae-...1-39f3459514fd
    https://www.dmarge.com/2015/05/mens-...e-history.html

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    It's OK. Just because they own a tank doesn't mean they're about to invade Chekoslovakia...
    Military Operations Rule #1: Before you can invade a country, you must be able to spell it... lest you invade their neighbour who's actually your ally!

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Your freedom to own guns directly results in more murder.
    Oh, is THAT why there are so many people killed in car accidents?
    Cor, I never knew that.

    Oddly enough, in places like America where gun ownership is generally permitted, but some areas have quite strict laws on it, people from those stricter areas just hop over the border to get them.
    In other places, where ownership permission and breadth of ownership are both roughly on par with America, they have ridiculously low murder rates... some even lower than our own.

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Freedom to own guns or tanks or ricin or whatever does not trump other peoples' right to live.
    No-one has the right to live. There are pieces of paper with words written on them that suggest otherwise, but that paper does not guarantee that right.

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    Re: Gillette..be the best men you can be...

    Back to playground level is/isn't, pencils can kill in the wrong hands - again - are we? Oh good.
    Aliorum vitia turbaverunt me

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammyc View Post
    Back to playground level is/isn't, pencils can kill in the wrong hands - again - are we? Oh good.
    The evidence presented in the factual documentary 'John Wick' suggests that would require the right hands!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    - Selfridges last year with their ultra-slim model
    - Cara Delevigne's Rimmel ad with the CGI lashes
    - Adaptamil showing boys becoming engineers and mountaineers but girls becoming ballerinas
    - Gap have done a similar one reinforcing gender stereotypes
    - The Agent estate agency showing a soldier who'd 'bought a kitchen for the missus'
    - FemFresh got flak for over-sexualising and objectifying women
    I'll check em out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    He doesn't even have to leave, though. I said father figure. That could be a brother, uncle, grandfather, family friend, neighbour, or whatever. I had several, none of whom were my own father as he was always away working... but to whatever extent, I still had some. That's what I'm talking about.
    Thank you for make it clear, make a lot more sense now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Why? Is it not your choice whether you shave, then?
    It is my choice to do something with a natural process. I could leave it to be as it is but I feel socially pressured to tend to it. Same as...you know

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Tell them to 'toddle off' and worry more about their own beards!!
    Saying that would get me a permanent seat in the HR office. Thanks but no. Been told that I can make anything sound offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    When I shave, my wife said it was like kissing a 12-year old boy... she prefers kissing adult men.
    And that is your wife's choice. My woman like my facial hair sorted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    A range of options in how to deal with your periods gives you such choices... but you don't get a choice in whether you have periods with which to deal, nor in which of those options might not work for you.
    Shaving, on the other hand, is completely your choice and does not generally impact personal and/or public hygiene if you choose not to shave.
    Generally no. Subjectively it might.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    You also won't get dogs sniffing your bits if you don't shave!!
    In my experience the opposite is more true. Opposite as you're saying dogs won't sniff if you don't shave = dogs will sniff if you shave. Especially coupled with frequent and vigorous exercise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    To what end? What purpose? Surely you can extrapolate from my words as to precisely how I'd feel, react, etc?
    Because the person could do it. Because wanted to make a statement. Because having a rainbow colored hair wasn't enough. I don't know, you can ask if you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    The pressure of social conformity will generally force the latter into behaving like the former, especially when the more vocal and short-tempered among us will loudly insist she get up off that public seating, clean up her blood spills and take her leaking, stinking, lady parts off to the toilet to sort herself out.
    Like I said, there's no shame in having a period any more than there is in taking a dump... but neither do you subject everyone else to it!!
    I literally buy you a bus ticket to the next such event when a know, clearly non-conformist person will perform public free-bleeding just to see you making BuzzFeed news about how you oppressed that person. You know it would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Incidentally, I have had a very similar situation, except the person in question piddled themselves because they couldn't be bothered to get up and go to the public toilet. It took a security escort and a cleaner showing up to motivate them.
    The only form of 'security' in a smaller office (50 odd people) is basically the HR personnel who actually applauded it for being brave and liberating...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Sorry, but not only is that a touch toward an old-fashioned definition of what it is to 'Be A Man', it's rather vague and incomplete, and it's actually just a small part of what it takes to be a decent person. It's not actually gender specific in any way!!
    I thought you wanted to hear non-gender specific

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    The Lord Jesus Christ himself was given three gifts by some very wise men... two of them were essentially aftershaves! That's hardly unmanly, is it?
    He also had three nails to hang onto doubt he was worried about shaving and aftershave

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    If you want to look at manly scents throughout history, you can either opt for the modern take, or go proper historical:
    https://www.ft.com/content/340fdbae-...1-39f3459514fd
    https://www.dmarge.com/2015/05/mens-...e-history.html
    Appreciate the offer, but if I CBA with modern, what are the chances I will with historic/ancient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Then don't overuse them... Real men know how much dash to splash!
    The Lord Jesus Christ himself was given three gifts by some very wise men... two of them were essentially aftershaves! That's hardly unmanly, is it?
    Technically they were given to his parents. One was gold - presumably to help them leg it and live in a foreign country while Herod was butchering the infants, one was for dead bodies to mask the stench of rotting flesh, and not something you'd wear down the local. The other people aren't sure about, but yes, probably perfume or spice of some sort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    He also had three nails to hang onto doubt he was worried about shaving and aftershave
    Quite. And we don't know if the spices the women took to the tomb on Easter morning were the same as those given by the wise men/magi but of all going on on the Thursday-Friday whether he was or wasn't wearing brut was the least of the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    One was gold - presumably to help them leg it and live in a foreign country while Herod was butchering the infants
    First ever fake crisis gofundme?

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